Tuukka,
I do not equate 'killing intellectual patterns' with unpatterned experience or being anti-intellectual, I believe it is the experience of awareness/mindfulness, which naturally fosters caring, kindness and a preciousness towards life. That's #5, over and out... Marsha On Apr 1, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha, > I don't care whose words they were. I was just checking. Maybe RMP's writing > had a context which would have said the same things than you said when I > asked for clarification. Maybe not. I don't care who says what - generally - > only, what is said. > > -Tuukka > > > >> Tuukka, >> >> And I agree with RMP that to kill intellectual patterns is to serve morality >> if one does not understand deeply that value patterns are impermanent, >> ever-changing (synchronically and diachronically) and conditionally >> co-dependent (relative). And please do remember that the transcribing of >> the Eastern poem into MoQ'nese represents RMP's words from LILA, not mine. >> That would be Robert Maynard Pirsig's words, not mine. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> okay, but it's pretty harsh and vague to speak of "killing" an intellectual >>> pattern. That's what created the misconception for me. No problem anymore, >>> with the explanation. >>> >>> -Tuukka >>> >>> >>> >>> 1.4.2012 12:06, MarshaV wrote: >>>> Greetings Tuukka, >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Marsha, >>>>> If there's no intellectual quality, where's Dynamic Quality going to >>>>> latch? To social patterns? Okay, but that can create new intellectual >>>>> patterns. >>>> I have never said there is no intellectual (value) patterns, so I have no >>>> way to answer. >>>> >>>> >>>>> To biological and inorganic patterns? If so, then maybe you are a >>>>> manifestation of Lila. >>>> I have never denied inorganic, biological, social or intellectual >>>> (patterned) value. >>>> >>>> >>>>> What does it mean to "kill" an intellectual pattern? May its carcass >>>>> still be used for something? >>>> I'll repeat what I wrote yesterday. Isn't the idea to understand that >>>> these static patterns should not bind, or blind, us whether intellectual >>>> level patterns or biological patterns. Then one merely needs to recognize >>>> patterns, and to determine, to the best of one's ability, what it values >>>> and whether it is useful or not in the present case. >>>> >>>>> -Tuukka >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1.4.2012 11:30, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>> This quote seems so appropriate for Subject: title. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "From the static point of view the whole escape into Dynamic Quality >>>>>> seems like a death experience. It's a movement from something to >>>>>> nothing. How can 'nothing' be any different from death? Since a Dynamic >>>>>> understanding doesn't make the static distinctions necessary to answer >>>>>> that question, the question goes unanswered. All the Buddha could say >>>>>> was, 'See for yourself.' >>>>>> >>>>>> "When early Western investigators first read the Buddhist texts they too >>>>>> interpreted nirvana as some kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that >>>>>> goes: >>>>>> >>>>>> "While living, >>>>>> Be a dead man. >>>>>> Be completely dead, >>>>>> And then do as you please. >>>>>> >>>>>> "And all will be well. It sounds like something from a Hollywood >>>>>> horror-film but it's about nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality >>>>>> translates it: >>>>>> >>>>>> "While sustaining biological and social patterns >>>>>> Kill all intellectual patterns. >>>>>> Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality >>>>>> And morality will be served." >>>>>> >>>>>> (LILA, Chapter 32) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
