David to Andre:
I'm confused by this comment because you end up agreeing with me below
that even the word 'quality' is a definition of some kind?
Andre:
No intention of confusing you David. Phaedrus sees in the use of the
term "Quality" already a 'violation' of the mystical 'nothingness'. I
think it is also a compromise in terms of trying to develop a
philosophical framework that seeks to incorporate Eastern as well as
Western traditions, perhaps as a result of Pirsig's reading of
Northrop's "Meeting of East and West".
I think Phaedrus says somewhere in LILA that with a term like
'nothingness' you won't even get a hearing in the Western
philosophical/scientific community. You won't get taken seriously. But
they cannot get around a term such as Quality or value for that matter.
"With the identification of static and Dynamic Quality as the
fundamental division of the world, Phaedrus felt that some kind of goal
had been reached. The first division of the Metaphysics of Quality now
covered the spectrum of experience from primitive mysticism to quantum
mechanics.(LILA, p 124)
David:
Us talking right now is us defining Dynamic Quality.
Andre:
Sorry mate, but I stick to ma guns. O:-) Talking is not(necessarily)
defining. And please keep in mind Anthony's suggestion...you have read
ZMM and LILA, no? So what is the 'definition' of Quality?
David:
Words are ruining the ultimately undefined nature of reality.
Andre:
Not sure if you read my post to Ron, but I do not think that words 'are
ruining the ultimately undefined nature of reality'. The Buddha rests
just as comfortably in the gears of a motorcycle as in the words of a
text. I prefer the use of the term 'partial'. I mean, if words are
ruining everything then we may as well stop talking altogether, in the
same way that if certain posters consider sq to be an illusion then we
may as well stop living. I mean it just nullifies everything. As if,
indeed everything in the universe can be described by the twenty-six
written characters. Not on.
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