How can you guys talk about subjective interpretations of the MoQ with a straight face?
I know you know better than to use that term, but that's what all your carping is really about, right? The "objective " truth is the MoQ as described by Pirsig, eh? Hogwash! Oh well. Keep on arguing over your static interpretations then. We all get a real kick out of it, I can tell you. John and the losers On Apr 17, 2012, at 6:20 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:32 AM, Andre wrote: > >> I am not suggesting that no one is entitled NOT to have their version of an >> moQ. But I am not interested in discussing Marsha's or Mark's or for that >> matter Tuuka's moQ. I am interested in discussing Pirsig's MOQ. Of course we >> can disagree saying, hello, this does not line up with my experience in >> relation to what Pirsig argues, I need clarification here. So then I'd >> rather be pointed out where my experience is possibly wrong or mistaken IN >> RELATION TO PIRSIG'S MOQ and why. And I believe it is reasonable to expect >> from me a more substantial argument than: "well it's MY experience", it's my >> interpretation and that is the only one that counts! > > > Arlo said: > Right, we have two opposing "descriptions of Quality". We have Pirsig's > description, and we have the other person's description. I'm not sure what is > problematic here, it is perfectly coherent to say "Pirsig's MOQ and Arlo's > MOQ vary on Point A". > > dmb says: > Another good way to think about the difference is to ask two separate > questions. 1) What does Pirsig mean? and 2) Is Pirsig right? The first > question is about the best way to read Pirsig's books and the second question > can't really be asked until the first one has been answered pretty well. This > is just a matter of logical necessity because one cannot test, dispute, > affirm or criticize an idea unless and until you know what that idea is. The > problem is not that somebody might have a way to improve or refine Pirsig's > work. As a matter of principle, we not only don't want to shut that down, > it's a hopeful ideal to be aimed for. > The problem is with the particular people around here who think they have a > better idea than Pirsig, who think they are masters of the second question > when in fact they haven't even come close to settling the first question. > > Ron: > Dave you nailed it. Those who genuinly love wisdom explore the historical > aspect of the questions RMP > raises placing those questions in the proper philosophic context before we > can ever begin to understand the > answers he provides. > Those masters of the second question, the so-called "masters of reality" the > self proclaimed intellectual > messiah's who are the only hope of "the" MoQ as if it is divorced of Robert > Pirsig, are a real danger to > those pursuing that first question and, consequently, effecting the > possibility of a genuine improvment and > refinement of Pirsigs Metaphysic. > I think Bo, Ham, and now Tuuka can be grouped into that club, Marsha....I > dunno. She publicly > wrestles with her own demons. Anyone who denies anything so much is > completely enslaved by it. > > I think if the terms are made up and the explanation is complicated and > express an already understood > concept but in more complicated esoteric terms ie: > "Equivalence of nonrelativizably used predicates can be deduced as a theorem > of three axioms. > I call the axioms Tuukka’s Rules of Metaphysical Argumentation (TRMA)." > And he speaks as if the term is commonly understood among "analytical > philosophers"....WTF!! > > ..Dave, Arlo, Andre, the bullshit never ends. Just had to vent guys....sorry. > > . > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
