Dave,

> 
> There are two separate questions. 
> 
> 1) What does Pirsig mean? 
> 

Betterness (value) is fundamental

> 2) Is Pirsig right? 
> 

Yes. 

> The second question can't really be raised until the first one has been 
> answered pretty well. 

Pretty well?  You mean all the commas counted?  The whole thing sliced, diced 
and thoroughly intellectually analyzed? 

I think the MoQ is a pretty nifty tool for avoiding static traps.  Methinks 
you're mainly concerned with turning it into a static trap. You got the 
impulses of a priest, dave, and this your religion 



> 
> This is just a matter of logical necessity because one cannot test, dispute, 
> affirm, refine or criticize an idea unless and until you understand what it 
> means. 
> 
> The truth of Pirsig's claims can be tested or scrutinized ONLY if you know 
> what those claims are. Obviously. 
> 
> The attempts to be clear about what Pirsig is and is not saying are bizarrely 
> construed as oppressive dogmatism or an evil static trap. 
> 
> Why in the world would we NOT want to know what Pirsig means? 
> 
> What is the point and purpose of this discussion group?
> 
> If you don't really care what he thinks, why bother hanging out here?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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