Hi Ian,
Great talk by Bryan Appleyard!!! Thanks for posting it. Think I'd like to read the book. Marsha On May 4, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: > Hi Folks (#4 of the day). > > I'm disappointed that recent discussions all lead back to definitions > of intellect, or rather not that they lead back there, but that they > remain a fixation, a block to leading anywhere else. > One of the reasons I was always happy to work with Bo's arguments > (even though I didn't agree with his conclusions) was that it was > about the nub of our problem. > > I've never been about precisely documenting the MoQ, any better than > Pirsig had already written about it. I continue to be about doing > something with the MoQ to improve how human minds - mine included - > inhabit the world. Improve, progress, as in better, as in good. (I > respect that others have different aims and motivations.) > > My thesis is quite simple. > > When Pirsig was writing about intellect he was writing about intellect > as it had become, post-enlightenment, classical objective rational > intellect. I have no doubt this is what Pirsig means by intellect, and > I have no doubt that kind of intellect is what is "reified" in the > level of Intellectual SPV's. (But lets not add arguments about the > definition of reified to those about the definition of intellect.) > This is all I mean by GOF-Intellect. > > Pirsig's point was that there is something beyond that. The MoQ way of > thinking - where the world also involves radical empirical experiences > - pre-conceptual - that is we know them before any attempt to > conceptualize them (and exchange emails using words). And we know the > value if using them in the real world without needing to conceptualize > and define them - they are forever poorly defined in any > GOF-Intellectual sense - but valuable. (Things that were already well > known to non-intellectual schools of thought, like Zen Buddhism for > example.) > > The exiting thing for me has been that this is so consistent with > everything written on evolved brains and minds since Pirsig originally > wrote. > Read Iain McGilchrist "Master and Emissary" > Read "Thinking Fast and Slow" > Read Jonathan Haidt "The Righteous Mind" > Listen to Bryan Appleyard and Iain McGilchrist > http://www.wellcomecollection.org/whats-on/events/the-divided-mind.aspx > > The depressing thing about MD is being stuck in "intellectual" debates > about "intellect". > No one is anti GOF-Intellect, I simply know we all believe there is > something more, because none of us can find a definition we can agree > on ? For me that's a good thing. That's why we appreciated Pirsig's > work. > > I don't want to see the debate limited, or the wonder of MoQ "reduced" > in any reductionist way - but we have to "get over ourselves". > > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
