Hi Dan, you're right of course, 

But clearly I meant knowing - in a sense we cannot necessarily rationalize - so 
we could be wrong , but it shouldn't stop us trying. And yes, I agreed with 
Marsha's "do" - but I guess "try to do" is probably what I/we meant. Do try. (I 
is we, anyway) see Jonathan Haidt.

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On 6 May 2012, at 21:36, Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Ant McWatt <antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Ian Glendinning stated May 6th:
>> 
>> Trying to do something better - knowing what's better - which is I
>> believe what Ant just said (and Marsha too - "do").
>> There is nothing else.
> 
> Dan:
> "Do or do not. There is no try." [Yoda]
> 
> "The story was of a struggle between good and evil, but the koan it
> raised was, "Which was which?" Was this person really good or was he
> perhaps also evil?" [Lila]
> 
> I have a couple problems with what Ian has written here. When he
> writes "knowing what's better" he assumes we really can know what's
> better beforehand. But it raises the question: which is which? Is what
> we do better? Or is it worse? There's no telling until after the fact.
> 
> And reading Marsha's post, she seemed pretty adamant about doing, not
> trying to do. I mean, if you missed that, then there's little more I
> can say.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ant McWatt comments:
>> 
>> Ian,
>> 
>> While I agree with your sentiment here, I guess what I was essentially 
>> trying to convey in my last (rather bad tempered) post to Mark is William 
>> James' concern about being as clear as possible with one's rhetoric.  I'm 
>> sure Mark has a genuine interest in the MOQ but his "Moving On" post was 
>> just too verbose and loose for my liking.
> 
> Dan:
> As you see, I don't exactly agree with Ian... but be that as it may, I
> do essentially agree with your (rather bad tempered) post to Mark.
> I've come to see exercises such as addressing posts to certain
> individuals who shall remain nameless as rather a waste of time. And
> God knows we all have precious little time to waste on nonsense.
> 
> Too, we do not need someone to tell us that they're educated... show
> us. All writers learn that right off... don't they?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dan
> 
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