Dan, Pirsig reacting to a "definition" of value as vague, says as you quote "there is nothing vague about value / value-judgement"
Doesn't change the fact that by definition it's vague, even though by experience it's not. ie is this not a point about definitions, rather than about value ? Ian On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Marsha > > Your statement reminds me of this quote from Lila: > > "Explicit definitions when given, demonstrate the nebulous character > of 'value,' " Blake and Davis said. "Here, for example, is the > definition of 'value-orientation' in a 437-page book on value > orientations: > > "Value orientations are complex but definitely patterned > (rankordered) principles resulting from the transactional interplay > of three analytically distinguishable elements of the evaluative > process-the cognitive, the affective, and the directive elements-which > give order and direction to the ever-flowing stream of human acts and > thoughts as these relate to the solution of 'common human' problems." > > "Poor Kluckhohn, Phaedrus thought. That was his definition. With that > lead balloon for a vehicle there was no way he could succeed. > > "The attack made Phaedrus want to get in there and start arguing. The > statement that values are vague and therefore shouldn't be used for > primary classification is not true. There's nothing vague about a > value judgment. When a voter goes to the polling booth he's making a > value judgment. What's so vague about that? Isn't an election a > cultural activity? What's so vague about the New York stock exchanges? > Aren't values what they're dealing in? How about the U.S. Treasury? > Who in this world is more specific than the Internal Revenue Service? > As Kluckhohn saying, values are not the least vague when you're > dealing with them in terms of actual experience. It's only when you > bring back statements about them and try to integrate them into the > overall jargon of anthropology that they become vague." [LILA] > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
