Carl said: I don't know how it came up, but recently I stumbled across what's known as "The Hard Question" about consciousness. Specifically, that question is how consciousness arises from inorganic material. Our brains and bodies are made up of chemicals, etc. and yet from those inert chemicals we get consciousness, until we die, then we become inorangic material again as we break down through the process of decay. What would the MOQ have to say about that? Anybody know?
dmb says: Anthony's explanation was excellent, as usual, and I recommend taking a close look at that. The "hard problem of consciousness" is basically our contemporary version of the mind-body problem. There are two main options, but both of them fail to solve the problem of explaining how the mental is related to the physical. (Notice the SOM here?) One option is to take the reductionist approach and equate consciousness with brain states so that the mental is not explained so much as it's explained AWAY. This view is called "eliminative materialism". Sounds like fancy jargon but if you know the meaning of the word "eliminate" then you know how they treat consciousness. The other main option is emergence. This view also operates from a physicalist point of view but instead of reducing everything to physical realities, emergence theories say that consciousness came into existence at some point in evolutionary history. The problem here is that it only restates the hard problem in temporal terms. Emergence doesn't answer the question of how the mental and physical are related s o that the mental is still presumed to magically appear out of the non-mental. And so, since neither option works, we have this so-called "explanatory gap" or "the hard problem". There is a third option. It is simple, elegant and it solves some of the oldest problems in philosophy, including the hard problem of consciousness, but it's also considered to be way too weird and so have only a handful of advocates. This third option is some kind of panpsychism or pan-experientialism. Instead of eliminating the mental through reductionism or saying that the mental magically appeared out of the physical, the panpsychist says that the mental and physical are "co-eternal aspects of the same reality", as William James puts it. In other words, "mind" was never completely absent from "matter" and they have both evolved together. We can see this in the MOQ, for example, in the way Pirsig says that even subatomic particles behave according to preferences, in his reconceptualization of natural selection, in his answer to the problem of free will and determinism, and we can see how he folds a corrected version of emergence into his assertion that mind and matter have a matter-of-fact evolutionary relationship. There is a small contingent of panpsychists fighting an uphill battle, led apparently by Galen Strawson, but he makes a case that panpsychism follows from a physicalist view. I don't think this approach is quite as good as James's or Pirsig's but it's a start. It's an opening. And this sort of view has quite a long history, going all the way back to the preSocratic philosophers, and it was not an uncommon view back in James's day (among Idealists and such) but was almost completely ignored after 1930 or so and it has only recently reappeared on the philosophical scene - specifically as an answer to the "hard problem of consciousness". The hard problem is mostly a result of the metaphysical assumptions (physicalism) held by most contemporary philosophers. It's a result of scientific objectivity. This approach is, in a nutshell, goes wrong by insisting that subjectivity can only be studied objectively. They want to examine the first person perspective but only insofar as it can be examined from a third-person point of view. It is willing to eliminate or ignore the very thing it's supposed to studying, namely consciousness as such. They want the mental to be explainable in terms of the physical sciences. The MOQ is meant to avoid this kind of scientism and these attitudes of objectivity because it causes so many problems "hard" problems. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html