Hello everyone On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:13 AM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Finally, I'm responding below. No excuses. My apologies for the hold up.
Hi David I wouldn't worry about it. >> >> Dan: >> >> Dynamic Quality is always 'there' weaving the magic we call >> experience, our journey. I should think the gate-less gate analogy has >> to do with the belief that one can achieve enlightenment... that there >> is a path to follow, a gate through which one passes. Since there is >> no enlightenment, there is no gate, no destination... and once one >> comes to this realization they understand it has been nothing but a >> mirage of their own making which they have been seeking after. > > David H: > So to be clear, are you suggesting there is no such thing as enlightenment? Dan: I should think it depends on one's point of view. David H: Is enlightenment a mirage? Just a mistaken belief? Dan: To believe in something is to have confidence in it without empirical proof. I have to wonder though... how does one go about proving the existence of enlightenment? David H: I think enlightenment (or perfection) (or Dynamic Quality) does exist and is not merely a mistaken belief. But there is more to life than just Dynamic Quality. This is what the MOQ says and this is where it differs from Zen Buddhism. Dan: We know Dynamic Quality by what it is not... would you agree? >David H: > Well, not as much disagreement here (relative to the amount of time I put off > responding) as I was expecting Dan. The only point of contention in this > post was whether you think enlightenment exists or is just a mistaken belief.. Dan: If a person believes in enlightenment I would say good for them. Personally, I do not share that belief. But I would not go so far as to say it is a mistaken belief. It is like those people who profess to having a belief in God... I am not about to discount such beliefs though I do not share it. On the other hand, I know what I know but I have no way of sharing that knowledge other than through my interpretation of analogies like the gate-less gate. That analogy suggests (to me) that for those who know there is no enlightenment... so what is it that the seekers seek if not themselves? > > Thanks for you patience Dan, You're welcome, and thank you too. Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
