Hi Joe, It is a beautiful translation, isn't it? I thought the references to darkness made it particularly poignant.
Marsha On Jun 27, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > Beautiful: > > > On 6/26/12 1:17 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Tao Te Ching >> >> Chapter One >> >> The tao that can be told >> is not the eternal Tao >> The name that can be named >> is not the eternal Name. >> >> The unnamable is the eternally real. >> Naming is the origin >> of all particular things. >> >> Free from desire, you realize the mystery. >> Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations. >> >> Yet mystery and manifestations >> arise from the same source. >> This source is called darkness. >> >> Darkness within darkness. >> The gateway to all understanding. >> >> (Written by Lao-tzu >> From a translation by S. Mitchell) >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha and All, >>> >>> "Fundamental nature" is a mouthful! Is it a definition for reality? I >>> conceptualize "logic" as being unable to describe evolution in terms of >>> SQ/DQ, defined/indefinable reality. >>> >>> Indefinable reality is individualized DQ and can only be described in >>> analogical terms. The acceptance of indefinable DQ reality reveals >>> sentience DQ/SQ. >>> >>> In the past S/O was proposed as a logical (metaphysical) base. This placed >>> sentience in a horrible bind to define all of reality. This made definition >>> equal to a mathematical certainty, denying evolution. Creation was more >>> acceptable than metaphysics. Metaphysics is logic beyond mathematics. >>> Evolution is logical as levels in existence. >>> >>> Pirsig saw that there are indefinable emotions like love. "Definition" is >>> not a metaphysical term but a physical term. Something in our experience >>> remains indefinable DQ. I do not like the term "fundamental nature". I >>> prefer "evolution" as levels in existence. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On 6/25/12 1:31 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> But under it all, the fundamental nature of sq is DQ. >>> >>> >>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
