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From: "MarshaV" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] pure experience (DQ)
On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:33 AM, "Carl Thames" <[email protected]> wrote:
dmb,
Not the quote or the article even used the word 'undifferentiated'
except the Zen quote that you presented associating it with nirvana. I
take 'undifferentiate' to mean lacking difference or distinction. My
statement still stands that if Dynamic Quality is undifferentiated, it
cannot be about perceptions (smells, sounds, tastes, visions, and
feelings) which are differentiated; which require a spacial-temporal
framework; and which are dependent on human sense apparatus? Dynamic
Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable; it is
undifferentiated; it is not perceptions - not smells, not sounds, not
taste, not visions, and not feelings.
Marsha
Then how do you know it when you see it?
Carl
Hi Carl,
Know it? See it? - 'Not this, not that.' might be considered an
insight.
Marsha
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, does it
make a sound? No, of course not, because "sound" is a description of the
effect of specific vibrations on specific auditory receptors. For the same
reason, Quality MUST be differentiated. It must also be conceptual. It has
to be about perceptions. Even Pirsig recognized Quality as an event. In
order for it to be an event, it must be perceived. In order for it to be
perceived, it must be differentiated, and it must capable of being
perceived, which means it must be conceptual. It is significantly different
from the "not this - not that" mantra you keep repeating. That is a
technique used by zen masters to encourage students to break up their
normal, dualistic thinking. It's a faulty syllogism. If dynamic quality
was unknowable, as you say, it would be meaningless. It's not.
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