[Andre] This has nothing to do with following dogma. It has everything to do with reaching a better understanding of Pirsig's MoQ and finding out/realizing, again and again why the MoQ is such a high quality static intellectual pattern of value.
[Arlo] The primary error made is conflating Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality with Quality; the explanation with the (analagously) explained. You hear this when verbs are associated with "the MOQ" (e.g., "The MOQ creates...") or directly when experience is tied to "the MOQ" (e.g., "We experience the MOQ..."). Once this primary conflation is made, of course Ant or you or me or anyone else can't possibly understand "the MOQ" better than anyone else. This is a bizarre anti-authoritarian stance that has a base of anti-intellectualism (why Ant is so maligned for being part of the dogmatic and evil Academy, why his PhD is evidence not of understanding but of idolatry and ignorance) that you simply don't see in any other philosophical discourse (at least none I have even participated, even peripherally) within. I could not imagine going into a Peirce forum to tell all the Peirce scholars that they were dogmatic fools. Of course, if you remove the conflation this goes away. Of course our experiences of Quality will vary, and maybe someone will come along with a better way of explaining experience. This was the place Pirsig's ideas were born, as a "better" explanation of Quality than the historical legacy evidenced in western thought. I remain convinced the leading problem for them is the term "The MOQ", and I suggest that substituting "Pirsig's ideas" into their posts in place of this term will make evident this conflation error. Evolution in thought will occur (as it always has historically) when people say "Pirsig was wrong about this, here is a better way" or even "Pirsig did not consider X theory, here is where and how X theory can illuminate or extend Pirsig's ideas", not in "The MOQ says this despite what Pirsig says". Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
