Hi John, Thank you for the image. What you describe is very similar to what physicist are denoting as the Higgs Field (as you probably know). Accordingly, in the begining, everything was energy. Due to the presence of a field, energy began to coalesce as matter. The field can be considered as a pool of molases that slows everything down. In the past I have analogized this field to Quality.
As I see it, the big bang is a current event always in progress. Quality is constantly at work (so to speak). Each instant is a big bang in itself. To use your analogy, Quality is the "crack" through which DQ flows. Don't push this analogy too hard. For me, Quality is what differentiates. That is, it provides for the presense of good and bad, hard and soft, and blue and red (for example). In off-line posts, I have termed Quality as the Grand Differentiator (at one point I called it the Grand Object Differentiator, but dropped the 'o" :-)). We live in a world of appearances. That is, we are in the presense of the qualities of things. This is akin to the Maya which is presented by much older philosophies. What we sense is not things in themselves, but how such things differ. This difference is, of course, the expression of their qualities. However, for such qualities to be expressed, a crack must appear between things, like your lava fissure. By this logic, things cannot contain quality, they express it like the sun expresses sunlight. We would not say that the sun contains sunlight. This expression is drawn forth by Quality. More below. On 8/8/12, T-REXX Techs, Inc. <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark raised the issue of the relationship of Static Quality to Dynamic > Quality and how DQ gets changed to SQ. The speculative image I have is of > static patterns coalescing within the flux of Dynamic Quality. I picture a > flow of molten lava and solid formations cooling and coalescing out of it > as > it flows along. I picture the initial rush of energy immediately after the > Big Bang and subatomic particles and then atoms forming in it as regions of > it "cool". > > In the same way, I picture Dynamic Quality in and through that > initial blast of absolute energy. Atoms coalesce within it and become > sufficiently stable to participate in chemical reactions and form > molecules. > Through continued coalescence and aggregation stars, then planets and other > less energetic physical entities form. I understand these stable patterns > as "solidifying" out of the energetic flux of DQ. Then as soon as these > physical patterns have formed, DQ continues to drive them to higher levels > of organization and complexity. At each level static patterns coalesce out > of the dynamic flux. > > One could also invert the image and view the initial quantum > of energy in the post-BB universe as a resistant medium which DQ drives toward > higher levels of DQ expression. The medium is resistant because it tends > to degenerate from higher levels of organization to lower levels of > organization, opposite to the direction of the flow of DQ. > > The first achievement of DQ is the formation of the physical universe and > inorganic patterns. Then against the resistance of the inorganic patterns > DQ organizes the organic or biological level. I picture this as a "phase > change" of a material substance. If you think of matter as a block of ice > and DQ as a heat source, when you apply enough heat to the ice, it changes > from solid to liquid phase. If you continue, it changes phase from liquid > to vapor. Likewise, under the continuous pressure of DQ inorganic matter > changes phase to the biological level, which then changes phase to the > socio-intellectual level. At each level the Static Quality patterns are > the stable formations that persist in the resistant medium at that level of > organization. They are also the elements DQ organizes and energizes to > advance to the next phase. I like the analogy of "phase change" and have also used this in the past. In physics, phase changes require energy. That is, something must be put into water for it to either freeze or evaporate. If you like physics, I have also brought in the concept of "wave function collapse". This imparts the sense that each instant is a collapse of all possible wave functions. Reality makes its appearance to us in real time, and we are partners in this. Since we are involved in this, we provide the energy required from our side to effect this collapse (or possibly phase change). This energy is in the form of Intention, and comprises Free Will. > > If you view the relationship of DQ to SQ in this way, and if > you view cosmic evolution as the history of the advance of Dynamic Quality, > the levels of MOQ emerge naturally as sort of the critical points at which > phase changes have occurred. The only place where the levels don't seem > completely natural and obvious to me in this view is the social level and > then the intellectual level. To me the obvious phase change is from the > biological level to a "mental" level which subsumes both the social and the > intellectual levels of MOQ. Social evolution and intellectual evolution > both seem to me to be ways in which DQ continues to push forward and > develop stable patterns of SQ, with intellectual being the more promising and > fruitful avenue of advance. Yes, indeed. The analogy can bring much meaning. What we are presented with are appearances (qualities). Another way to look at the levels is that they all exist at the same time and that a certain appearance is a specific mix of all four levels. I have no problem with using levels to explain a manner of viewing reality through Quality. My question previously was designed to get some input as to why a scientific approach was used rather than some other method. Although I am a biologist, I do not have much faith in the current paradigm of Evolution. I do not think it is the most complete analogy for why things are the way they are. Certainly we can say that the morphology of species are constantly selected for by "environmental pressures", and that our current appearance is an interplay between the inherent "self-assembly' (and mutation) of DNA, and the environment. In my opinion, not much effort is devoted to creating paradigms for the "selection process". I am not religious or intelligent design minded althought concept of intelligence can apply if "selection" is going on. I do not find the concept of "accidents" useful either. Many have made Chance a god, but go no further with this idea. For where does Chance come from? One can envision a reality in which Quality is the "selector". That is, it forms the pressures for evolution. Quality can be seen as the "mold" by which things appear. DQ fills this mold and becomes discrete "SQs". This is no different from species filling niches. Once those niches dissapear, the species dissapear. Using this analogy, one can draw one's attention not to things in themselves, but to the mold which is doing the sculpting. This technique can help one get away from standard Subject Object Metaphysics and enter into a Quality metaphysics. Again, don't push the analogy too far, it is simply a suggestion for creating more. In conclusion one can interpret existence as a mix of all four levels. Even water molecules that form a river have a portion of the intellectual level. It is this balance which provides current appearances. That such an analogy is scientific is fine by me since that is how I make my living. However, even though such levels are meant to depict the SQ world, something is lacking. What I believe is lacking is a common sense explanation for the conversion of DQ to SQ (if that is indeed the manner in which we wish to proceed). So thank you for your input. There are, of course, alternative explanations that are consistent with MoQ (as I understand it). For example, one alternative would be to describe reality in a manner which is not scientific. The Vedantins suggest the following: Reality is made up of three properties: 1) Veiling Power; 2) Projecting Power; and 3) Revealing Power. If you would like to read an interesting essay on this (which I have presented to the group in the past), here is a link: http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html I have tried to relate this to Quality in the past. Rather than the continual objectification of reality, which seems to predominate in the West, a balance between the exoteric and the esoteric can be created. A scientifc mode for understanding oneself is insufficient, and two dimensional. Quality brings in the third dimension and allows us to leave the cave of shadows. Thank you for your thoughts on this, I learned something. 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