Hi dmb, On Aug 31, 2012, at 3:33 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Marsha said to David & dmb: > > ... I have nothing to say about 'truth'; I prefer to use RMP's term 'pattern' > rather than 'truth', and I prefer think of patterns as 'hypothetical'. > > > dmb says: > It makes no sense to prefer Pirsig's "pattern" rather than "truth" because > Pirsig's "truth" is a "pattern". Here is the textual evidence for this > equation: "'Truth is a species of good.' That was right on. That was exactly > what is meant by the Metaphysics of Quality. Truth is a static intellectual > pattern within a larger entity called Quality." LILA 364 > > Let me repeat that for you, in case you missed it. "Truth is a static > intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality." Here are some patterns within the Intellectual Level: truth, justice, freedom, democracy and trial by jury. So yes, 'truth' is one of the patterns in the Intellectual Level. I have continually agreed that 'truth' is _an_ intellectual static pattern of value. But 'truth' is not a pattern I am interested in discussing. I prefer to think about objects of knowledge (the stuff contained in an encyclopedia) as 'patterns' rather than 'truths', and I prefer to think about patterns as 'hypothetical'. > Or, even more simply, "Truth is a static intellectual pattern". > > > Given Pirsig's definition of truth, your sentence becomes, "I prefer to use > RMP's term rather than RMP's term." You're rejecting Pirsig terms because > Pirsig's terms are better than Pirsig's terms. It's just ridiculous nonsense. As I said, I prefer to think about all objects of knowledge as 'patterns' rather than 'truths', and I prefer to think about patterns as 'hypothetical'. I will present my reasoning once again. Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true.) By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency toward intellectual arrogance. Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away from thinking of entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness. Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
