David, Please understand that from a MoQ perspective I prefer to think about all objects of knowledge as 'patterns' rather than 'truths', and I prefer to think about patterns as 'hypothetical'. I will present my reasoning once again. Once one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true.) By using 'hypothetical' I think there is less of a tendency toward intellectual arrogance. Understanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption. It moves one away from thinking of entities as existing inherently and independent of consciousness.
On Aug 31, 2012, at 9:25 PM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > > The fact that you think this is an insult points to how you see > everything from a SOM perspective. When you see things from an MOQ > perspective, with quality at the centre, SOM paradoxes such as > 'circular truth' disappear. It is undefined Quality first, then ideas > and truths and everything else. If something is good then it is real. > If an idea is really good then it is true. Your disinterest in 'truth' > shows that you are not interested in discussing high quality > intellectual patterns. This would be indicated in the quality of many > if your posts.. Please start valuing truth and the quality of your > posts will increase as well.. > > -David > >>>> Re: [MD] Creative Freedom in Jazz >>>> On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:40 PM, David Harding <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> David wrote to dmb: >>>>> We both agree that truth is a description for high quality patterns. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha wonders: >>>> Is truth then a description for truth? >>> >>> >>> David: >>> No. It is true that truth exists though. Remembering that everything >>> is quality - It is a high quality intellectual idea that high quality >>> intellectual ideas exist. A handy name for them is the shortened >>> version - truth. >> >> >> >> Marsha: >> Your renaming the Subject to 'Circular truth' fits well with your logic. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
