Marsha, How do I know? You said so. We're you lying (again)?
Mark On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:10 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:29 PM, 118 wrote: > >> Marsha, >> Your concern for suffering is misplaced. I exist without static patterns. >> Nor do I have much to gain from senseless quibbling. You did not provide an >> answer to JA, all you provided was provocation. > > Really? How do you know? Are you projecting again? Did some pattern enter > your consciousness and you mistook it to be reality? > > > Marsha > > > >> You can present anything you want. Any discussion requires one to provide >> justification. This is something you haven't learned yet. All this street >> brawling of yours is simply attention getting behavior. How about you >> present something of substance that comes from your own mind? We can all >> search the Internet for quotes. It is how we interpret those quotes that is >> interesting. >> >> Please provide an answer to your own questions. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Mark >> >> On Oct 15, 2012, at 10:48 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> And just as I thought. You are so predictable! You confirm merely your >>> projections, which you confuse with an external reality. >>> >>> You seem to be a naive realist who takes the patterns that flit through >>> your mind as reality, or "truth." That you find your automatic writing >>> meaningful, is nice for you, but It very seldom makes any sense to me, nor >>> do your judgements of myself or others. >>> >>> So judge away... So confirm away... Not a problem for me. You do not >>> need to answer my questions, nor do I need answer yours. >>> >>> I answered Jan-Anders. If you didn't like my answer, I can only tell you >>> that it was not meant to make you suffer. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha, >>>> Just as I thought. You are so predictable! Coming out of your hole, >>>> teasing the cats and then scurrying back into your nest, with that >>>> satisfied grin on your face. >>>> >>>> You have confirmed your intentions which is all that I sought. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 1:22 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> >>>>> You seem to have your homunculus in a bunch; I am not interested in the >>>>> ravings of such a creature. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 2:58 AM, 118 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marsha, >>>>>> Why should I consider that? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am waiting for answers to you two questions. Or were they just >>>>>> presented so you could bitch at somebody. Do you have anything original >>>>>> going on in that pretty little head of yours. I am convinced that you >>>>>> do not understand the quotes you paste since you have never given me >>>>>> reason to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> But who knows. Could you explain those quotes to me in your own words? >>>>>> >>>>>> Didn't think so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Besides, that is not what Buddhists see. You are being misled. Or >>>>>> perhaps I am wrong again. What Buddhist do you know who see things that >>>>>> way? I know plenty of Buddhist who don't. They are pretty straight >>>>>> forward. I attend their temples, and celebrations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hagen is stuck in some glorified intellectual nonsense. If what they >>>>>> see is illusory, they are trying to escape into some kind of la la land, >>>>>> because they are suffering from the delusion that they are suffering. >>>>>> You buy into this whole suffering nonsense. They are only suffering if >>>>>> they think they are suffering, just like you must feel you are suffering >>>>>> and therefore lash out on contributors to this forum. You suffering is >>>>>> an illusion, remember. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would Hagen write a book if his words were illusory? Maybe you >>>>>> should ask that pompous wannabe. His world may be illusory because he >>>>>> is so confused. Here he is, writing a book for one of his illusions. >>>>>> Must be lonely in that ivory tower. He has nothing to teach his >>>>>> illusion since it is a projection of his mind. How nihilistic, writing >>>>>> a book for no reason. Writing that it is illusion, but living as if it >>>>>> were real. He has tied himself up in knots. Something is very wrong >>>>>> with that kind of person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stop reading and do some thinking for a change. You will find it >>>>>> refreshing to be in the real world. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:19 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's something for you to consider: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "When buddhas look at the world, they don't _see_ solidity. They don't >>>>>>> _see_ selves_. They see only flux. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "This is not to say that the awakened no longer see forms like the rest >>>>>>> of us. They do. But they _see_ forms --- or, rather, "formness" --- >>>>>>> as illusory. They _see_ that all things arise together. They _see_ >>>>>>> that the apparent existence of anything is dependent on all that it is >>>>>>> not. And they _see_ this dependence as nothing other than change and >>>>>>> motion themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Buddha called this phenomena dependent arising. Dependent arising >>>>>>> is the formula, "When this arises, that becomes." When the days >>>>>>> lengthen, spring flowers bloom. When days shorten, autumn colors >>>>>>> appear and leaves fall from the trees. Spring flowers are inseparable >>>>>>> from lengthening days; autumn colors are inseparable from days of less >>>>>>> and less light. Indeed, spring flowers _are_ the longer days; fall >>>>>>> colors _are_ the shorter days. In Reality, all phenomena work together >>>>>>> as a seamless whole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Dependent arising is not vague, mystical, remote, intellectual stuff. >>>>>>> The buddha-dharma is very practical and down-to-earth. Just pay very >>>>>>> close attention to your actual experience, and you'll _see_ it for >>>>>>> yourself." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.146) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:15 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark: >>>>>>>> Given the nature of your response to me and Jan Anders, I can see that >>>>>>>> you only wish to find fault in others. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you not participate without being bitchy? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why can't first answer the questions rather than always being on the >>>>>>>> attack? You come across as a very resentful. What happened to you >>>>>>>> that you are this way? Surely you can't have any close friends, the >>>>>>>> way you treat people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 2012, at 9:11 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
