Horse,
On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha > That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise. > I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to > trick you into anything! > > The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense > to you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying. > > As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying > that the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states > that Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as > an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = > Reality. First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on context. But, I see the first view as representing a menu, and the second view representing actual food. In the second view, I do not assume "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system)", but metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ...". Marsha > > Cheers > > Horse > > On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote: >> Horse, >> >> I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily >> into either/or choice. It depends on context. But you are the moderator >> and if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, >> I'll say no. I prefer, though, my two-view explanation. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the >>> question. >>> >>> So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate. >>> >>> Do you believe MoQ = Reality. >>> >>> Very simple. Yes or No? >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote: >>>> Hi Horse, >>>> >>>> I wrote to Andre: >>>> I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ. There is the MoQ as the >>>> intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and >>>> supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with >>>> interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality >>>> (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it: >>>> Value(unpatterned/patterned). >>>> >>>> In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes >>>> Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static). Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, >>>> principle. >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Marsha >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that >>>>> >>>>> MoQ = Reality >>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> Quality = Reality? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Horse >>>>> >>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>> dmb, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> dmb: >>>>>>> Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's >>>>>>> remains confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, >>>>>>> i.e. the distinction between concepts and reality, between static >>>>>>> quality and Dynamic Quality. >>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>> Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is >>>>>> nothing but value ..." >>>>>> >>>>>> (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005') >>>>>> >>>>>> Marsha >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>>>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>>>> — Frank Zappa >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> ___ >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> — Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
