Hi Horse, Of course MoQ does not equal Reality. It is a metaphysics for Christ's sake. What a silly question!
What would be your answer to your question? Mark On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Horse, > > > > On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Marsha >> That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise. >> I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to >> trick you into anything! >> >> The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense >> to you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying. >> >> As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying >> that the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states >> that Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as >> an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = >> Reality. > > First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on > context. But, I see the first view as representing a menu, and the second > view representing actual food. In the second view, I do not assume > "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system)", but > metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The > Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but > value ...". > > > Marsha > > > > > >> >> Cheers >> >> Horse >> >> On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote: >>> Horse, >>> >>> I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily >>> into either/or choice. It depends on context. But you are the moderator >>> and if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, >>> I'll say no. I prefer, though, my two-view explanation. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the >>>> question. >>>> >>>> So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate. >>>> >>>> Do you believe MoQ = Reality. >>>> >>>> Very simple. Yes or No? >>>> >>>> Horse >>>> >>>> On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote: >>>>> Hi Horse, >>>>> >>>>> I wrote to Andre: >>>>> I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ. There is the MoQ as the >>>>> intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and >>>>> supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with >>>>> interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality >>>>> (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it: >>>>> Value(unpatterned/patterned). >>>>> >>>>> In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes >>>>> Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static). Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, >>>>> principle. >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marsha >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you saying that >>>>>> >>>>>> MoQ = Reality >>>>>> >>>>>> or >>>>>> >>>>>> Quality = Reality? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Horse >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote: >>>>>>> dmb, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dmb: >>>>>>>> Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's >>>>>>>> remains confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, >>>>>>>> i.e. the distinction between concepts and reality, between static >>>>>>>> quality and Dynamic Quality. >>>>>>> Marsha: >>>>>>> Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is >>>>>>> nothing but value ..." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005') >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>>>>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>>>>> — Frank Zappa >>>>>> >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>> ___ >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>>> — Frank Zappa >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> -- >> >> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >> — Frank Zappa >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
