I'm quite aware that the Metaphysics of Quality is a metaphysics -
there's a small clue in the name!!!
And yet MoQ=Reality is a position held by at least 3 people that I can
think of!
Of course it's silly - and the mental gymnastics required to rationalise
such a position are quite stunning. But still some adhere to such a
ridiculous position.
Amazing how dumb some people can be!
Oh well!!
Horse
On 01/11/2012 05:08, 118 wrote:
Hi Horse,
Of course MoQ does not equal Reality. It is a metaphysics for Christ's sake.
What a silly question!
What would be your answer to your question?
Mark
On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:35 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
Horse,
On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marsha
That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise.
I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to
trick you into anything!
The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense to
you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying.
As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying that
the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states that
Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as an
Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = Reality.
First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on context. But, I see the
first view as representing a menu, and the second view representing actual food. In the second
view, I do not assume "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical
system)", but metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The
Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ...".
Marsha
Cheers
Horse
On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote:
Horse,
I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily
into either/or choice. It depends on context. But you are the moderator and
if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, I'll say
no. I prefer, though, my two-view explanation.
Marsha
On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the question.
So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate.
Do you believe MoQ = Reality.
Very simple. Yes or No?
Horse
On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote:
Hi Horse,
I wrote to Andre:
I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ. There is the MoQ as the
intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and
supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with
interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality
(Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it: Value(unpatterned/patterned).
In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes Reality
= Quality(Dynamic/static). Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, principle.
Marsha
On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote:
Hi Marsha
Are you saying that
MoQ = Reality
or
Quality = Reality?
Horse
On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote:
dmb,
On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
dmb:
Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's remains
confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, i.e. the
distinction between concepts and reality, between static quality and Dynamic
Quality.
Marsha:
Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree.
"The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value
..."
(RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005')
Marsha
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