dmb said:
According to the MOQ, fame and fortune are social level values. According to
the MOQ, our recent history is a clash of values, namely social level values as
opposed to intellectual values.
Marsha replied:
Within the nine quoted paragraphs you presented, what RMP actually wrote was
that money, or fortune, was one of the "... dynamic parameters that give
society its shape and meaning." ...The remaining quotes made no reference to
money or economics at all. ...
dmb says:
You don't understand that the clash between communism and fascism is chiefly
about economics? Fame and fortune are the twin forces of the social level, but
these traditional gods were challenged and confronted by "Communism and
socialism, programs for intellectual control over society," Pirsig says. "The
new culture that has emerged is the first in history to believe that patterns
of society must be subordinate to patterns of intellect. The one dominating
question of this century has been, “Are the social patterns of our world going
to run our intellectual life, or is our intellectual life going to run the
social patterns?”
When was politics ever NOT about money and economics? Why do I have to spell
out the most basic inferences and supply the most basic facts before you can
even see the point? I think it's fair to presume that the readers in a
philosophy discussion group are not profoundly ignorant about politics or the
basic facts of history and presume that they can think about what they read.
That's why you don't belong here. You're just not equipped or even willing,
apparently.
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