Thanks Dave 14 nov 2012 kl. 20:15 skrev david buchanan <[email protected]>:
> > > dmb said to Jan: > > According to the MOQ, fame and fortune are social level values. According to > the MOQ, our recent history is a clash of values, namely social level values > as opposed to intellectual values. > Jan replied: > ...I don't have access to the english version, but if you look at ch 17 in > LILA, about page 10 of the chapter, the text following after RMP citing E B > White, you'll find that he (RMP) says something like this in english: > > "The MOQ gives the vocabulary. A free market is a dynamic institution. What > people buy and sell, what people values, can never be included in an > intellectual formula. Dynamic quality makes the market work. The market is > perpetually in change and can never be predicted." > > Therefore, according to MOQ: Economics is nothing without values. I'd > appreciate if someone could give me the correct sentences in english. > > > dmb says: > Here's the quote, along with some surrounding context. As you anyone can see, > economics is central to the political clash between social and intellectual > values. > "That’s what neither the socialists nor the capitalists ever got figured out. > From a static point of view, socialism is more moral than capitalism. It’s a > higher form of evolution. It is an intellectually guided society, not just a > society that is guided by mindless traditions. That’s what gives socialism > its drive. But what the socialists left out and what has all but killed their > whole undertaking is an absence of a concept of indefinite Dynamic Quality. > You go to any socialist city and it’s always a dull place because there’s > little Dynamic Quality. > On the other hand the conservatives who keep trumpeting about the virtues of > free enterprise are normally just supporting their own self-interest. They > are just doing the usual cover-up for the rich in their age-old exploitation > of the poor. Some of them seem to sense there is also something mysteriously > virtuous in a free enterprise system and you can see them struggling to put > it into words but they don’t have the metaphysical vocabulary for it any more > than the socialists do. > The metaphysics of Quality provides the vocabulary. A free market is a > Dynamic institution. What people buy and what people sell, in other words > what people value, can never be contained by any intellectual formula. What > makes the marketplace work is Dynamic Quality. The market is always changing > and the direction of that change can never be predetermined. > The Metaphysics of Quality says the free market makes everybody richer by > preventing static economic patterns for setting in and stagnating economic > growth. That is the reason major capitalist economies of the world have done > so much better since World War II that the major socialist economies. It is > not that Victorian social economic patterns are more moral than socialist > intellectual economic patterns. Quite the opposite. They are less moral as > static patterns go. What makes the free-enterprise system superior is that > the socialists, reasoning intelligently and objectively, have inadvertently > closed the door to Dynamic Quality in the buying and selling of things. They > closed it because the metaphysical structure of their objectivity never told > them Dynamic Quality exists." (Lila, 17) > > > > other relevant quotes from PIRSIG: > > "a culture that supports the dominance of intellectual values over social > values is absolutely superior to one that does not." > > "And this is a war in which intellect, to end the paralysis of society, has > to know whose side it is on, and support that side, and never undercut it." > > "Communism and socialism, programs for intellectual control over society, > were confronted by the reactionary forces of fascism, a program for the > social control of intellect." > "The gigantic power of socialism and fascism, which have overwhelmed this > century, is explained by a conflict of levels of evolution. This conflict > explains the driving force behind Hitler not as an insane search for power > but as an all-consuming glorification of social authority and hatred of > intellectualism. His anti-Semitism was fueled by anti-intellectualism. His > hatred of communists was fueled by anti-intellectualism. His exaltation of > the German volk was fueled by it. His fanatic persecution of any kind of > intellectual freedom was driven by it. In the United States the economic and > social upheaval was not so great as in Europe, but Franklin Roosevelt and the > New Deal, nevertheless, became the center of a lesser storm between social > and intellectual forces." > > "...In a subject-object understanding of the world these terms have no > meaning. There is no such thing as "human rights." There is no such thing as > moral reasonableness. There are subjects and objects and nothing else. > ..This soup of sentiments about logically nonexistent entities can be > straightened out by the Metaphysics of Quality. It says that what is meant by > "human rights" is usually the moral code of intellect-vs-society, the moral > right of intellect to be free of social control. Freedom of speech; freedom > of assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas corpus; government by > consent—these "human rights" are all intellect-vs-society issues. According > to the Metaphysics of Quality these "human rights" have not just a > sentimental basis, but a rational, metaphysical basis. They are essential to > the evolution of a higher level of life from a lower level of life. They are > for real." > > QUOTES from Wikipedia: > > "Anti-intellectualism is hostility towards and mistrust of intellect, > intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits, usually expressed as the derision > of education, philosophy, literature, art, and science, as impractical and > contemptible." > > "Anti-intellectualism is a common facet of totalitarian dictatorships to > oppress political dissent. The Nazi party's populist rhetoric featured > anti-intellectual rants as a common motif, including Adolf Hitler's political > polemic, Mein Kampf." > > "Critics have alleged that much of the prevailing philosophy in American > academia (i.e., postmodernism, poststructuralism, relativism) are > anti-intellectual: 'The displacement of the idea that facts and evidence > matter by the idea that everything boils down to subjective interests and > perspectives is -- second only to American political campaigns -- the most > prominent and pernicious manifestation of anti-intellectualism in our time'.” > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
