"THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF KNOWLEDGE and two types of views. One consists of
beliefs, opinions, conjectures---having an idea of something. It's an
intellectual grasping of concepts. This is how we commonly think of knowledge.
"But this is not _knowing_. In fact, the natural results of relying on mere
conceptual knowledge are fear, discomfort, and confusion---in short, dukkha.
"We think that our beliefs and ideas can be relied on to give us satisfaction.
But if we examine the effects they have on us we'll discover that, at best,
they only temporarily satisfy us. In fact, they're actually our primary
sources of anxiety and fear, because they're always subject to contradiction
and doubt.
"By their very nature, all our ideas and beliefs are frozen views---fragments
of Reality, separated from the Whole. In other words, because we rely on what
we think (conceptual), rather than on what we _see_ (perception) there's unrest
in our mind. Underneath it all, we're uneasy---and, furthermore, we _know_ it.
(Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, pp. 110-111)
On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Marsha to Ron:
> What is amusing to me is that Andre Broersen seems to present himself as
> dmb's spokesperson.
>
> Andre:
> Once again a projected indication of Marsha's warped way of thinking.
> Agreement with dmb makes me his spokesperson? Agreement with Pirsig makes me
> his spokesperson?
>
> Marsha: this is your misguided projection and, once again overly confused
> opinion. I really am saddened by the way you wriggle your way out of
> conversations. You even have the audacity to state:
>
> 'I didn't want to spoil the Economics thread by changing its content to a
> discussion on my shortcomings.'.
>
> If this is not a pathetic deflection of meeting one's responsibility and
> engaging in a conversation (which Marsha does not) I do not know what is.
>
> You truly are Lucy.
>
> Marsha has not 'countered' or 'defended' her position which I brought up over
> the past few posts (and years). The ones that say that the origin of her
> complete nonsense is e.g. that Dq=sq/sq=Dq and the MoQ= Reality=Experience
> plus a host of other things already mentioned in previous posts over the
> years.
>
> She does not answer these but counters them with things like:
> "Now, Andre, I can pay attention to dmb fleeing like a gazelle or pay
> attention to you braying like an ass, or I can inquire onto the similarities
> between the MoQ and Zen Buddhism as suggested by RMP."
>
> And a host of quotes from Hagen and Pirsig that do nothing to clarify the
> issues at hand.
>
> Marsha, how dare you present yourself as inquiring into the similarities
> between the MoQ and Zen Buddhism...'.
>
> You have proven and continue to prove that you do not understand the first
> (!) thing about Pirsig's MoQ nor Zen Buddhism.
>
> 'Pathetic' is a word I can think of or perhaps the one Ron introduced: troll.
>
>
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