Greetings,
Here is how I experience/understand "Kill all intellectual patterns."
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“Twenty-five hundred years ago...
“When the Buddha was asked to sum up his teaching in a single word, he said,
“awareness.” ...
“Not awareness of something in particular, but awareness itself --- being
awake, alert, in touch with what is actually happening.
(Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, p.3)
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Marsha
On Nov 14, 2012, at 3:26 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> "THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF KNOWLEDGE and two types of views. One consists of
> beliefs, opinions, conjectures---having an idea of something. It's an
> intellectual grasping of concepts. This is how we commonly think of
> knowledge.
>
> "But this is not _knowing_. In fact, the natural results of relying on mere
> conceptual knowledge are fear, discomfort, and confusion---in short, dukkha.
>
> "We think that our beliefs and ideas can be relied on to give us
> satisfaction. But if we examine the effects they have on us we'll discover
> that, at best, they only temporarily satisfy us. In fact, they're actually
> our primary sources of anxiety and fear, because they're always subject to
> contradiction and doubt.
>
> "By their very nature, all our ideas and beliefs are frozen views---fragments
> of Reality, separated from the Whole. In other words, because we rely on
> what we think (conceptual), rather than on what we _see_ (perception) there's
> unrest in our mind. Underneath it all, we're uneasy---and, furthermore, we
> _know_ it.
>
>
> (Hagen, Steve, ‘Buddhism: Plain and Simple’, pp. 110-111)
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Marsha to Ron:
>> What is amusing to me is that Andre Broersen seems to present himself as
>> dmb's spokesperson.
>>
>> Andre:
>> Once again a projected indication of Marsha's warped way of thinking.
>> Agreement with dmb makes me his spokesperson? Agreement with Pirsig makes me
>> his spokesperson?
>>
>> Marsha: this is your misguided projection and, once again overly confused
>> opinion. I really am saddened by the way you wriggle your way out of
>> conversations. You even have the audacity to state:
>>
>> 'I didn't want to spoil the Economics thread by changing its content to a
>> discussion on my shortcomings.'.
>>
>> If this is not a pathetic deflection of meeting one's responsibility and
>> engaging in a conversation (which Marsha does not) I do not know what is.
>>
>> You truly are Lucy.
>>
>> Marsha has not 'countered' or 'defended' her position which I brought up
>> over the past few posts (and years). The ones that say that the origin of
>> her complete nonsense is e.g. that Dq=sq/sq=Dq and the MoQ=
>> Reality=Experience plus a host of other things already mentioned in previous
>> posts over the years.
>>
>> She does not answer these but counters them with things like:
>> "Now, Andre, I can pay attention to dmb fleeing like a gazelle or pay
>> attention to you braying like an ass, or I can inquire onto the similarities
>> between the MoQ and Zen Buddhism as suggested by RMP."
>>
>> And a host of quotes from Hagen and Pirsig that do nothing to clarify the
>> issues at hand.
>>
>> Marsha, how dare you present yourself as inquiring into the similarities
>> between the MoQ and Zen Buddhism...'.
>>
>> You have proven and continue to prove that you do not understand the first
>> (!) thing about Pirsig's MoQ nor Zen Buddhism.
>>
>> 'Pathetic' is a word I can think of or perhaps the one Ron introduced: troll.
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