Sorry, Mark, but your questions rally don't make any sense to me. I think they only show that you have no idea what's goijg on here. To say that intellectual patterns are intellectual is meaningless tautology with no apparent point. This is not a case of the snake eating its own tail. It's just worthless, pointless and redundant. By the way, please don't take this exchange as an endorsement of any kind. I'm still convinced that you have no business here and I've never seen a post from you that was worth reading. Please go away.
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:03:53 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns > > Hi dmb, > Is the statement that "Truth is a static intellectual pattern" a > static intellectual pattern in itself? If so, is this not a case of a > snake eating its own tail? We must always be aware that any statement > about truth is self-destructive by enabling a questioning of such > truth. This is a standard lier's paradox. > > With that in mind it, perhaps it is appropriate to consider truth in > terms of usefulness. I believe this is in accordance with the > teachings of MoQ. In such endeavors, one would replace the term truth > with useful. By doing this, the statement you presented by Pirsig can > get away from the circular implications that such statement is no > better than the static intellectual pattern it refers to. Therefore > this statement would read as follows: > > dmb: > What is "truth", according to the Metaphysics of Quality? Pirsig says, > "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called > Quality." > > revised answer: Truth is based on usefulness which is a static > intellectual pattern... > > One we have made this pronouncement of Truth, we must then supplement > such statement by explaining why the statement is useful in terms of > Quality. That is, what is it about Truth as SQ that pertains to > Quality? > > MoQ is not dogma, in fact I would say it is anti-dogma. It is about > Quality. If one wants to use phrases from Pirsig, one must back these > up with reasons as to why such phrases are useful in providing a > metaphysical description of Quality. This is what rhetoric is. It > does not search for truth, it simply provides awareness. > > Therefore, with this in mind, I have the following question: > Based on your interpretation of Quality, why is it useful to consider > Truth to be a static intellectual pattern? That is, what is it about > this statement that provides awareness of Quality? > > Regards, > Mark > On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:06 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "That was exactly what is meant by the Metaphysics of Quality. Truth is a > > static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality." > > > > What is "truth", according to the Metaphysics of Quality? Pirsig says, > > "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called > > Quality." > > > > I don't see how this truth has anything to do with Bible stories or the > > musical scale. > > > > Although it does lend support to my last point: I strongly suspect that > > this level of incorrigibility is more psychological than philosophical. > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:22:39 -0800 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns > >> > >> Pontius Pilate asked a deeper question. : ) > >> > >> Jesus provided an even deeper answer. Remember? > >> > >> > >> MRB > >> > >> On 11/17/2012 2:26 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >>> Hi DMB and All, > >>> > >>> DQ/RE/MI/FA/SOL/LA/TI/DO. Which one is truth? > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/17/12 8:57 AM, "david buchanan" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> But Marsha is right about one thing; she's not at all interested in > >>>> truth. It > >>>> doesn't matter if it's fancy or plain and simple. She just won't hear it > >>>> no > >>>> matter how many times she's given the chance. I strongly suspect that her > >>>> problem - this level of incorrigibility - is more psychological than > >>>> philosophical. > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
