Hi Commander dmb,
Well, I am sorry you did not understand what I wrote, but I am not surprised. Are you manning the Quality gate and deciding who to let in? So far as I am concerned you do not belong in the forum since you never deal with the topic of Quality. My request is for you to go away and stop trying to control the conversation so that if fits in with your simplistic thinking! Please go away dmb, you are a disgrace to what Pirsig has written! Get out of here you absolute fool! You have not got past your literal translation of what Prisig wrote. All you seem to want to do is post quotes from Pirsig without explaining what they have to do with Quality. This is a pity since you have taken any discussion of a metaphysical description of Quality and simply resorted to explaining the model as if it stands on its own. As such it is a model which means absolutely nothing. It is a structure without a soul. This is far from critical thinking. It takes no thinking at all to pronounce words from a bible of some sort and exclaim that "Truth has been spoken". And you, dmb, are no better than a degenerate fool who shouts out from a street corner that the end is coming. What do you do besides pandering to Pirsig, and then insulting him at the same time? What can you possibly have to add to a discussion of Quality? Go back to your little academic hole, and swim in your SQ. You make these proclamations in the form of quotes as if you are preaching from the mounds of a temple. Don't you see how destructive this is and how anti-MoQ it is? You are extremely dangerous to MoQ, in the same way that Iraneous was dangerous to Gnosticism. You want your Word to be the law of MoQ, and such a thing is anti-MoQ; you do not even see this. You want to be the sole interpreter of Pirsig, yet you have no idea of Quality (or at least you never write about it). What kind of nefarious plot is that? Why do you want to stop any awareness of Quality dead in its tracks? You have placed yourself onto the Aristotelian throne slicing and dicing Quality and when questioned, you claim it is not your fault but Pirsig’s. Let me explain something to you dmb: you are responsible for your interpretation and what you do with it, nobody else. You are one of those dogmatic priests who simply seek control and the adoration of his flock, because of some self-perceived shortcoming. You act as if you know what Quality is, yet never expound on it. What is that all about? Step out, and take a good look at yourself, the unexamined life is not worth living. You have yet to explain your position on Quality, and instead you lay down the laws of Moses then demand we all march in step. It is time for you to get off your high horse and stop dictating what MoQ teaches. You have extrapolated Quality into areas where it does not even belong. You have made a church out of MoQ and dictate how society must operate according to your gospel. Please, this is unbecoming of MoQ. I do not see any intelligence coming from you posts when it comes to Quality. You seem fine to swim in your simple reconstruction of the meaning of everything as if you are writing a history book. Sorry dmb, history is being made right now, and you are going to have to wait to write about it and put a nail in MoQ as you seem so eager to do. Stop this arrogant posturing, I say, it does MoQ no good. You have no idea what MoQ is meant to teach and all you are left with is a model that means nothing! The biggest problem is you cannot even see this as you are so lost in your zealotry. Why don’t you go fight a war or something and leave this to the intellectuals? Stop quoting Pirsig pretending you are the Grand Wizard. It is an insult to Pirsig! Cheers, Mark On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry, Mark, but your questions rally don't make any sense to me. I think they only show that you have no idea what's goijg on here. To say that intellectual patterns are intellectual is meaningless tautology with no apparent point. This is not a case of the snake eating its own tail. It's just worthless, pointless and redundant. By the way, please don't take this exchange as an endorsement of any kind. I'm still convinced that you have no business here and I've never seen a post from you that was worth reading. Please go away. > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:03:53 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns > > Hi dmb, > Is the statement that "Truth is a static intellectual pattern" a > static intellectual pattern in itself? If so, is this not a case of a > snake eating its own tail? We must always be aware that any statement > about truth is self-destructive by enabling a questioning of such > truth. This is a standard lier's paradox. > > With that in mind it, perhaps it is appropriate to consider truth in > terms of usefulness. I believe this is in accordance with the > teachings of MoQ. In such endeavors, one would replace the term truth > with useful. By doing this, the statement you presented by Pirsig can > get away from the circular implications that such statement is no > better than the static intellectual pattern it refers to. Therefore > this statement would read as follows: > > dmb: > What is "truth", according to the Metaphysics of Quality? Pirsig says, > "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called > Quality." > > revised answer: Truth is based on usefulness which is a static > intellectual pattern... > > One we have made this pronouncement of Truth, we must then supplement > such statement by explaining why the statement is useful in terms of > Quality. That is, what is it about Truth as SQ that pertains to > Quality? > > MoQ is not dogma, in fact I would say it is anti-dogma. It is about > Quality. If one wants to use phrases from Pirsig, one must back these > up with reasons as to why such phrases are useful in providing a > metaphysical description of Quality. This is what rhetoric is. It > does not search for truth, it simply provides awareness. > > Therefore, with this in mind, I have the following question: > Based on your interpretation of Quality, why is it useful to consider > Truth to be a static intellectual pattern? That is, what is it about > this statement that provides awareness of Quality? > > Regards, > Mark > On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:06 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "That was exactly what is meant by the Metaphysics of Quality. Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality." > > > > What is "truth", according to the Metaphysics of Quality? Pirsig says, "Truth is a static intellectual pattern within a larger entity called Quality." > > > > I don't see how this truth has anything to do with Bible stories or the musical scale. > > > > Although it does lend support to my last point: I strongly suspect that this level of incorrigibility is more psychological than philosophical. > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:22:39 -0800 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns > >> > >> Pontius Pilate asked a deeper question. : ) > >> > >> Jesus provided an even deeper answer. Remember? > >> > >> > >> MRB > >> > >> On 11/17/2012 2:26 PM, Joseph Maurer wrote: > >>> Hi DMB and All, > >>> > >>> DQ/RE/MI/FA/SOL/LA/TI/DO. Which one is truth? > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> > >>> On 11/17/12 8:57 AM, "david buchanan" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> But Marsha is right about one thing; she's not at all interested in truth. It > >>>> doesn't matter if it's fancy or plain and simple. She just won't hear it no > >>>> matter how many times she's given the chance. I strongly suspect that her > >>>> problem - this level of incorrigibility - is more psychological than > >>>> philosophical. > >>> > >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>> Archives: > >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
