Hi Marsha, Existence is prior to value? I accept DQ/SQ in existence. The question raised: How can I experience the indefinable? I posit DQ without SQ in metaphysical terms and it seems that the unity of existence is compromised by a definition viewing definable/indefinable levels in existence.
In physical terms the boundaries of existence are blurred. Existence seems to be flexible e.g., snow and water. Does that indicate that evolution involves a metaphysical discussion of levels in existence? Value is a relationship. MOQ speaks differently of value in indefinable/definable terms for quality reality instead of SOM duality in Existence! Joe On 12/23/12 12:35 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > Thank you for your humble opinion, and thank you for the opportunity to fix my > statement: > > The metaphysical system that I accept is that the world is nothing but Value > which can be experienced as patterned (static) and unpatterned (Dynamic). > > > > Marsha > > > > On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi MarshaV, >> >> IMHO you are equating value and existence. How is existential DQ different >> from existential SQ? Definition! Can the definition of a DQ/SQ metaphysics >> encompass reality? >> >> IMHO something is omited by definition Indefinable DQ! The awareness of DQ >> is indefinable. I call an aspect of awareness indefinable? How is >> awareness different from a knowing which embraces indefinable DQ/SQ? >> >> My answer is that I experience the indefinable. Tie individual, experience, >> and reality together. DQ/SQ. There are levels in existence! >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 12/22/12 5:52 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> The metaphysical system that I accept is that the world is nothing but Value >>> which can be experienced as patterned (Static) and unpatterned (Dynamic). >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:23 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>>> >>>> This statement requires a very careful exposition. Life manifests Dynamic >>>> Quality. The metaphysics leading to the self, perceiving death, like >>>> heroism, can be horribly misled. The question of behavior in a >>>> dynamic/static environment must look at death as static, nothing will >>>> change. All heroic dynamic decisions will be negated to the individual in a >>>> lack of existence. >>>> >>>> How in the hell did I ever get on this tangent? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/20/12 12:24 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns of >>>>> quality >>>>> it is without choice. But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, >>>>> which is undefinable, one's behavior is free." >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
