Greetings, In the newest edition of 'Orality and Literacy' (2012) there are a Before Ognism and an After Ongism section written by John Hartley, of which the later includes a reference "a la Robert Pirsig and Carlos Casteneda" and seems to be referencing ZAMM (not LILA) and a romanticizing of the "noble savage." Marsha
On Dec 26, 2012, at 3:47 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > "... Writing, as has earlier been seen, serves to separate and distance the > knower and the known and thus establish objectivity. ..." > > (Ong, Walter J., 'Orality and Literacy', p. 112) > > > Marsha: > In hot pursuit, I expect a second book to arrive today: 'Preface to Plato > (History of the Greek Mind,)' by Eric Havelock. > > > Book description: > Plato's frontal attack on poetry has always been a problem for sympathetic > students, who have often minimized or avoided it. Beginning with the premise > that the attack must be taken seriously, Mr. Havelock shows that Plato's > hostility is explained by the continued domination of the poetic tradition in > contemporary Greek thought. > > The reason for the dominance of this tradition was technological. In a > nonliterate culture, stored experience necessary to cultural stability had to > be preserved as poetry in order to be memorized. Plato attacks poets, > particularly Homer, as the sole source of Greek moral and technical > instruction--Mr. Havelock shows how the Illiad acted as an oral encyclopedia. > Under the label of mimesis, Plato condemns the poetic process of emotional > identification and the necessity of presenting content as a series of > specific images in a continued narrative. > > The second part of the book discusses the Platonic Forms as an aspect of an > increasingly rational culture. Literate Greece demanded, instead of poetic > discourse, a vocabulary and a sentence structure both abstract and explicit > in which experience could be described normatively and analytically: in short > a language of ethics and science. > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
