Hello everyone On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:08 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >> In the thread titled "Is experience just DQ?" (on 1/13/13) David Harding >> wrote: >> The MOQ is obviously a Metaphysics. What is Metaphysics for? To me, it is >> an intellectual construct which, depending on its quality, can help us to >> live better lives. It does this by providing a context for *every* thing. >> With a good metaphysics like the MOQ we can compare any two things and use >> it to help us determine which is better. Making quality decisions like this >> help us to become better people. >> >> >> dmb says: >> How does the narrator of ZAMM put it? Metaphysics is fine if it improves >> everyday life, otherwise forget it. >> Yes, the Metaphysics of Quality is an intellectual construct (sq), a >> coherent set of concepts and definitions. And yet the MOQ is built around >> immediate experience itself (DQ), which is pre-conceptual and undefinable. >> Even further, this primary empirical reality (DQ) is given priority over the >> conceptual (sq). > > Dan: > Exactly. This relates directly to the core of our (David H. and my) > disagreement. How is Dynamic Quality given priority over our > conceptual world? By seeing Dynamic Quality and experience as > synonymous. We use qualifiers like 'primary' and 'empirical' to modify > the term 'experience' but once this primacy of experience is > understood (in relation to the MOQ) it is no longer necessary do so. > Dynamic Quality is experience. All that which comes after is static > quality. > > Ron: > The source of the disagreement is that while Dave B. and Dave H. are placing > emphasis > on the qualifier "immediate" in relation to the term experience as a > clarification of just what > is meant by the term Dynamic, Dan is using the term "experience" in a more > broad general way > as to imply the exclusion of the term "static" in association with > "experience".
Dan: Well, I can't take the credit for that. Robert Pirsig is the one who stated that in the MOQ, Dynamic Quality and experience become synonymous. I provided textual support for this, as you know. I am using the term 'experience' as it pertains to the MOQ, which I made quite clear. > > And that is quite a difference. Dan: It changes everything; so yes, I agree it is quite a difference. http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
