Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [MD] self
Horse had said: Wouldn't it be better to define self, as distinct from other, from within different frameworks? In a subject/object framework you have definitions based upon either a subjective or objective point of view and from within a MoQ framework you have static patterns emerging in response to Dynamic Quality. Neither is 'correct' as they are dependent upon the overall framework currently employed. Trying to shoe-horn one set of patterns into the other framework results in confusion. The beauty of the MoQ lies in the dispensing of subjects and objects, in favour of an emergent self as a response to Dynamic Quality. Reflection upon 'Self' becomes an Intellectual pattern. The intellectual pattern of self responds to Dynamic Quality which creates a new intellectual pattern - distinct from, but related to, the prior pattern. Ron replies: I think that is well put. The point being made is that if one is defining a "self" then it stands to reason that THAT self exists in some capacity, thus allowing for the capacity to critically reflect apon our actions and concepts that drive those acts. The concept of "no-self" or to stand on the statement that the "truth" of the matter is that there is no "self" has far reaching philosophical consequences much in the same way as the position of asserting that there is no truth or truth does not exist. In RMP's Lila, the Richard Rigel "sermon" is just that type of reactionary response that Pirsig was attempting to address. Rigel was accusing the captain of promoting relativism and Pirsig needed to clarify his position, not only in response to the accusation but also those who took him as promoting relativism and championing him for it. The irony is that those who typically champion RMP as a relativist and Pyrrhonist were also championing critical thinking without seeing the difficulty of pairing those two ideas as highly incompatable with the act of critical thinking. .. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
