Hello everyone On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Craig Erb <[email protected]> wrote: > Dan: >> How do you know objects exist prior to your experience of them? > > Depends on the object. Take my car, for instance. When I first > got it, there were documents with its Vehicle Information Number, > showing when it was shipped to the dealer from the assembly plant. > If you went back to the dealer, you could find records where the > parts that were assembled came from. And they would have records > where the raw materials came from, and records before that how the > raw materials were gathered. Of course, it could all be one vast > conspiracy, but unlikely.
Dan: Well, what I was asking is how do YOU know objects exist prior to YOUR experience of them. Obviously with a car you know cars exist. They're part of your cultural mores. Take this example: A couple are flying over Africa and carelessly throw an empty Coke bottle out the window of their plane. A jungle tribe finds the bottle. They have no experience whatsoever with such an object. They conclude the gods must have dropped it accidentally from the sky. Arguments and increasingly vicious disagreements break out over who has the right to the object of the gods. Finally, to ensure peace, a tribesman is picked to take the bottle and throw it off the edge of the world where it will trouble no one ever again. The Gods Must be Crazy! > > Dan: >> As long as it is understood that it is a good idea and not a true >> representation of reality. > > What is the difference between what's true & what's a good idea? Dan: Well, Craig, you have never seen true. Ever. Everything you know, everything you sense, your entire world, has all been filtered through your set of social and intellectual patterns that make up your culture. Everything you sense has been filtered through that thing in your head called a brain. Do you really think you see the true light of the world? > A: It's true my car's in my garage. > B: It's not true, it's just a good idea. > A: But it's true that you see it there? > B: Thinking you see it there is just a good idea. > A: Walk across the garage; it's true that you'll bump into it. > B: That's just a good idea. > > Whatever A says to B, B just says it's another good idea. And > whatever B says to A, it's just more evidence that it's true that > A's car is in A's garage. Dan: Obviously the channels of communication have broken down once again. Good luck on your endeavors to find the true and the real. Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
