Hello everyone On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:46 AM, David Harding <[email protected]> wrote: > Goodness Dan, > > I didn't realise that 'true' was a dirty word to you.
Dan: Well, it is a four letter word, after all. :) > > True is high quality intellectual patterns. Like Marsha you want to > associate the word 'true' to SOM and only take it in this context. In the MOQ > true becomes high quality intellectual patterns. That's it. If an idea isn't > good it's not true. If it is, it's true. That's it. Forget SOM truth - there > is a better alternative Why do you refuse to see truth in this context? . Dan: Within that context, it's fine. Craig did not seem to be using the word in that context: What is the difference between what's true & what's a good idea? A: It's true my car's in my garage. B: It's not true, it's just a good idea. A: But it's true that you see it there? B: Thinking you see it there is just a good idea. A: Walk across the garage; it's true that you'll bump into it. B: That's just a good idea. Dan comments: See? He is saying his car is in the garage. He then goes on to say it isn't true--it is just a good idea. This is directly opposed to what you just said: "In the MOQ true becomes high quality intellectual patterns. That's it." Dan: Now, if truth is a good idea, or a high quality intellectual pattern, why are you jumping on me and Marsha and not on Craig? He is the one who is disagreeing with you, not us. Dan http://www.danglover.com > On 05/02/2013, at 3:08 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Craig Erb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dan: >>>> How do you know objects exist prior to your experience of them? >>> >>> Depends on the object. Take my car, for instance. When I first >>> got it, there were documents with its Vehicle Information Number, >>> showing when it was shipped to the dealer from the assembly plant. >>> If you went back to the dealer, you could find records where the >>> parts that were assembled came from. And they would have records >>> where the raw materials came from, and records before that how the >>> raw materials were gathered. Of course, it could all be one vast >>> conspiracy, but unlikely. >> >> Dan: >> Well, what I was asking is how do YOU know objects exist prior to YOUR >> experience of them. Obviously with a car you know cars exist. They're >> part of your cultural mores. Take this example: A couple are flying >> over Africa and carelessly throw an empty Coke bottle out the window >> of their plane. A jungle tribe finds the bottle. They have no >> experience whatsoever with such an object. They conclude the gods must >> have dropped it accidentally from the sky. Arguments and increasingly >> vicious disagreements break out over who has the right to the object >> of the gods. Finally, to ensure peace, a tribesman is picked to take >> the bottle and throw it off the edge of the world where it will >> trouble no one ever again. The Gods Must be Crazy! >> >>> >>> Dan: >>>> As long as it is understood that it is a good idea and not a true >>>> representation of reality. >>> >>> What is the difference between what's true & what's a good idea? >> >> Dan: >> Well, Craig, you have never seen true. Ever. Everything you know, >> everything you sense, your entire world, has all been filtered through >> your set of social and intellectual patterns that make up your >> culture. Everything you sense has been filtered through that thing in >> your head called a brain. Do you really think you see the true light >> of the world? >> >>> A: It's true my car's in my garage. >>> B: It's not true, it's just a good idea. >>> A: But it's true that you see it there? >>> B: Thinking you see it there is just a good idea. >>> A: Walk across the garage; it's true that you'll bump into it. >>> B: That's just a good idea. >>> >>> Whatever A says to B, B just says it's another good idea. And >>> whatever B says to A, it's just more evidence that it's true that >>> A's car is in A's garage. >> >> Dan: >> Obviously the channels of communication have broken down once again. >> Good luck on your endeavors to find the true and the real. >> >> Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
