Hi David Yeah psychotic people can be a real pain in the ass as it comes to thinking differently. Look what it did to Robert Pirsig and where we are now. It comes from being outside the culture, the Matrix or The Mythos as Robert Pirsig called it in ZMM. Pirsig was a Philosophologist when he started thinking outside the Mythos, That's how he became a Philosopher. I was a trained Engineer when i started thinking outside the Mythos. Thats Why I am using the mathematical language. I have studied Philosophy for two years at the VU University in Amsterdam twelve years ago so i have some philosophologist frame of reference. I actually started that course having in mind what Anthony has done and where i admire him for. Having had Psychotic experiences is no reason to think that I am like Robert Pirsig. Although it helped me understand his books in a way that people without psychotic experiences can't i suppose. Anyway it helped me think my way out of Mental Illness. And I believe that the way I used mathematical language in this process gave me some insights that maybe can add to the Pirsig Legacy. And is at least worth sharing if someone cares to take notice.
How does a person "strip every bit of information from every emotion"? The use of the word "every" emotion implies that there are more than one and that there are differences between those emotions. Consciously you can only be aware of those differences in terms of information. But the word emotion also implies a feeling. If I see somebody cry I assume that this person is overwelmed with feelings because i am when i cry. To me those feelings are sensation. Sensations produced by our sixth "value" sense organ. read essay "subject's, object's data and values. True! It's an effort to build an abstract meta-physical/mathematical system. If scientific Physics can use Mathematics as it's language why not Metaphysics? What does it mean to say that "pure sensation" is "what we ..are at the most fundamental level"? It's an assumption I made after twenty years of thinking. Long ago i accedently saw this movie At First Sight (1999) - IMDb It's a romantic story about a blind man who has been offered to undergo an operation to give him the possibillity to see for the first time. The strange thing, to me, occurred That after the operation the man felt a sensation of what it's like to be able to see but he still couldn't see. He had to start learning to see like a baby once again with drastic consequences which eventually caused him to choose not to see. As an Engineer i was intrigued by the subject/object relationship from the eye sense organ perspective. There was a sensation of being able to see but there where no sight concepts as information in the subjective subconscious mind to be able to relate to visual objects. This gave me the idea that the human eye acts more like a mirror than like a camera. A mirror that likes a balance between the information on both sides of this mirror and dislikes an unbalance. This kind of mirror is mathematically expressable with the wave equations of resonance. I generalize this priciple to all five sense organs. The conscious mind i see as the sixth sense organ as Pirsig called that the value sense organ. I see this as an aggeregation of our five senses. same principle. Mathematicions lik symmetry ;-) And I'd like to know how this could be "workable in Mathematical terminology"? If you want i can walk you throught the mathematical detail's but i'd rather do that in another editor because i can only use plain text on this forum. And why would you want to do that? The reason I chose to understand this in Mathemathics is because i think that mathematics can be seen as the most cultural independend language there is. Just to avoid cultural sensitivities. 2013/4/3 david buchanan <[email protected]> > dmb said: > The mathematics of pure sensation? I hope this is some kind of April Fools > Day joke. > > > Eddo replied: > If it is too confusing for your current belief system to handle, just ask > what you want me to clarify. > > > dmb says: > Okay. How does a person "strip every bit of information from every > emotion"? What does it mean to say that "pure sensation" is "what we ..are > at the most fundamental level". And, as you might have inferred already, > I'd like to know how this could be "workable in Mathematical terminology". > And why would you want to do that? > > Frankly, this strikes me as something a psychotic person would say. I can > make no sense of it at all. > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
