Ron said to Marsha:
Can YOU read? Philosophology is done by people who are not seeking to
understand what is written, only to classify it so they can dismiss it (a form
of the strawman device). But what should be noted is the lack of will to
understand what someone means. That pretty much sums up your rhetorical style
Marsha, even the aim at which this post is supposed to dismiss Dave's
comparison of William James, Robert Pirsig and Fred Nietzche. He does not
compare them to dismiss Pirsig he does so to clarify their meaning. To support
Pirsig's conclusions not dismiss them. But YOU on the other hand are using this
quote philosophologicaly, so can dismiss Dave without actually having a
philosophical explanation supporting that dismissal. Lazy and hypocritical. Not
to mention a poor display of critical thinking skills. As usual.
dmb says:
Exactly. Marsha's tactics are lazy, sloppy and hypocritical. She uses her
vacuous relativism to dismiss and evade each and every criticism, to avoid
engagement with any philosophical content. And then she has the gall to quote
Pirsig's criticism of her own views in an attempt to find support for her
anti-intellectual nonsense. It's despicable.
It doesn't take a mind reader to see what she's trying to do here. It's really
about the other thread (Concepts and Reality). She knows that the distinction
being examined there is the MOQ's central distinction, the static/Dynamic
distinction, and she knows that I've been attacking her misunderstanding of
this distinction for a long time. That is exactly what she is "not seeking to
understand," and she wants to do anything but "understand what is written". She
does not want the MOQ's central distinction to be explained or illuminated in
any way and actively seeks to shut down any attempt to do so. Apparently this
is just egotistical, face-saving bullshit and is not motivated by the desire to
defend or criticize any actual ideas.
Did you notice her ridiculously hostile response to the first post in that
thread (Concepts and Reality)? That first post simply put a Pirsig quote next
to a Nietzsche quote and I said absolutely nothing except, "compare and
discuss". And what was Marsha's response to this open invitation?
Marsha said to dmb:
Why don't YOU compare and discuss? Or is it your nature to rather project,
misrepresent, spout sarcasm, irony, parody & insults when other compare and
discuss.
I guess that's supposed to be some kind of pre-emptive strike. She wants to
undermine and dismiss the whole discussion before it even starts. She wants to
evade any discussion of the distinction that James and Pirsig make, the
discrepancy between concepts and reality, because she knows that any honest and
intelligent discussion of it will destroy her distorted, nihilistic and
incoherent reading of the MOQ. Rather than deal with the often-repeated
criticism, she consistently takes the lazy and dishonest way out. She sits in
the chess club but refuses to play and is only there to insult not only the
players but also the game of chess itself. That exactly what makes her such a
despicable troll.
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