Hello everyone On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:10 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]>wrote:
> Dan-Adrie > Your son seems very bright. You must be proud of him. Yes, I think that's > right. With the MOQ, the challenge seems to lie in seeking out the new > rather than comparing it to what has come before. By reducing the MOQ to > what is known, we effectively dismiss it. > > --------------------------------------- > Thanks , Dan, yes, he's a programmer and has a full-time job here as > software support engineer, but also works for an American company > that is launching the Cockoo (tm)watch on the mercan market.currently they > work on the bluetooth connectivity, he works from here on that project. > My daughter has a very good job on the university here as a jobcoach. > > My son bought Mc Watts introduction into the..., without telling me anyway, > because he likes zam,and was reading along on this forum > when Mr Buchanan or you or Arlo or Andre presented something > Dan: Wow! That's impressive! Good for him. I have to say, I am honored to be included in such esteemed company. Please thank him for me. And thank you. > Probably he wants to catch up with me,without telling me in so many words > he has not a clear vision on on the framework Phaedrus > is carrying,i told him he needs to read Plato first, symposium etc, heck of > a job without .whilst reading Plato's cave he made the analogy- > Pirsig talking to Chris true the glass in zam, two different reality's, > immidiate insight!nice.... > Dan: I have to admit though I have Plato's collected works on my bookshelf I haven't read much of it at all. He always struck me as high-handed and more than a little pretentious. But it is probably my loss. ZMM is such a powerful book and holds so many insights I am sure we've but touched on the surface. Lila, too, is a marvel. Also there are Robert Pirsig's subsequent writings which are invaluable in learning more about the MOQ. Armed with a good knowledge of all these writings I think anyone could hold their own here. I remember when my son was in high school we used to take ZMM with us while camping. I would read aloud from it. He had different questions, ones that never occurred to me since I read the book when it first came out back in 1974 and was an adult by then. > > Sometimes i considered to make him post here, but with Krimel's drivel and > the conversation about scatalogy,mmm not a good idea. > Have to say, Mr Buchanan was not wrong to spook him so hard.Krimel is a > frustro. > Dan: Our friend Krimel is extremely bright and actually quite a friendly guy once you get to know him, but yes, his is an acquired taste, you might say. :-) > > > about the Moq. > > So many unseen content is still there. > But these crap wars..........nobody will come here to learn things. > numbness;madness;hemptiness. > Dan: Jeez, I hope you are wrong in that though in a way I do agree with you. Guess what bothers me more than a bit is that this list is blessed with so many fine minds and yet many folk do not seem to realize that. > > an example, simple this > my sentence to Marsha, "nobody wants to get fucked in a rational manner" > Dan: Ha! I know I certainly do not! > > > and Yesterday Pirsig /Buchanan > > Pirsig says his central aim is to show how "RATIONALITY can be tremendously > improved, expanded and made far more effective through a formal recognition > of Quality in its operation." (ZAMM 278, emphasis is mine) It's not just a > new philosophy, he says, it's "even broader than that - new form of > spiritual RATIONALITY". (ZAMM 358, emphasis is Pirsig's) "He did nothing > for Quality or the Tao. What benefited was reason." (ZAMM 257) > "Reason and Quality had become separated and in conflict with each other" > (ZAMM 358) back in the days of Plato. "It's been necessary since before the > time of Socrates to reject the passions, the emotions, in order to free the > rational mind for an understanding of nature's order", Pirsig says, but now > it's time for "reassimilating those passions which were originally fled > from. The passions, the emotions, the affective domain of man's > consciousness, are a part of nature's order too. The central part." (ZAMM > 294) > > ----------------------- > Marsha had no idea what i was talking about, however Mr buchanan is > pinpointing immidiately what i was talking about. > there is a reason to read books , people! > and to study what is presented.write books of your own if you disagree. > Dan: Yes I agree with you here except methinks Marsha understands much more than she lets on. She is a very intelligent person in her own right. The fact that she does not always agree with what is said here should be taken as indicative of the nature of the MOQ and how we all come to it with our own personal histories. "Write books of your own..." I couldn't have said it better! > > > Thanks for reading Dan > You're welcome, Adrie. Thank you too. Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
