On 18/05/2013, at 10:39 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > djh said to dmb: > You're interested not in the quality of what I'm saying but only in the logic > of what I'm saying and this is where you're missing my point. Your view > seems so very narrow when you say you're only interested in looking at > someone's static intellectual values and the logic they use and *not* > intellectually discussing *all* of their values. You even go so far as to > say that these values are 'vague and useless'. The problem with this view > though - is that it completely ignores the biological, social, cultural and > Dynamic values which folks have. As I've explained - these values actually > *shape* our view of what makes sense intellectually. This is confirmed time > and again by Pirsig .. Here's another example.. "Even the facts that people > observe to confirm the 'truth' are dependent on the culture they live in." - > Lila > > > dmb says: > Dude, you're the one who keeps harping on logic. As I've said repeatedly, > logic only becomes an issue when somebody is being contradictory, > inconsistent or incoherent. Apparently, you'd like to spin that into some > kind of Platonism or hyper-logical worldview. But I'm really not a big fan of > logic. Probably would have studied analytic philosophy if I were into that > but my degree is in the Humanities. I took exactly one half of a logic class > thirty years ago - and found it quite boring. I mean, if you knew me at all > you'd realize how ridiculous it is to try to paint me as some kind of logic > freak. But I do like to complain about nonsense. And I think your case for > "values" is vague and useless nonsense. > > And your "example" from Pirsig might make some sense if Marsha were from some > other time or culture but she's not. I really don't think there is any > important cultural difference about Connecticut such that she'd observe > different facts than I would in Michigan or Colorado. Same language, same > time, same culture, same country, roughly the same age. No, David. I think > you're totally misconstruing things - especially if you think each of us can > have our own logic or our own definitions. I've tried to be polite about it > but you're not taking the hint. So let me be frank. I think your point is > just plain stupid. I really don't care to hear it again. Okay? Give it a > rest. You are being quite obnoxious. I'm happy to discuss any mischaracterisations of your values I may have. To me, that's how you sort out a philosophical disagreement.. "There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result of our history and current patterns of values." But if you'd like to end the conversation then so be it. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
