Marsha:
An immoral action, like degeneracy, is when a lower level morality tries to
take priority over a higher level morality. The code of art is a higher level
than inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. You know this.
On May 31, 2013, at 12:25 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is more Pirsig quoting at the AHP conference on the topic of morality,
> the most important part of the MOQ....
>
>
> "Of all the aspects of this MOQ this is the one which is the dearest to my
> heart. That people stop saying: "We don't… this is what I am afraid of… huge
> scene among psychiatrists… "We don't make moral judgements, we just describe
> things". And I say: "Please start making moral judgements. Please say to your
> patients what is right and what is wrong."
> They want to know, I wanted to know. And maybe you're going to tell them
> something that is right or wrong from only a social point of view… But to me
> the need to say that some things are better than others, the need to say what
> is right and what is wrong is an integrating need. It's something that will
> pull us all together whereas amoralism has fragmented us as a society."
>
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>> I want to get down to the problem which is the essence for me the most
>> important of… not the essence but the most important part of the MOQ and
>> that is that it establishes a morality. A scientific morality. Quality is
>> morality. They are identical.
>> "The MOQ says that if moral judgments are essentially assertions of value
>> and if value is the fundamental ground-stuff of the world then moral
>> judgements are the fundamental ground-stuff of the world." (LILA, Chapter 12)
>> The world is primarily a moral order.
>> "It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static
>> patterns of value and moral judgment are identical. The 'Laws of Nature' are
>> moral laws. Of course it sounds peculiar at first and awkward and
>> unnecessary to say that hydrogen and oxygen form water because it is moral
>> to do so. But it is no less peculiar and awkward and unnecessary than to say
>> chemistry professors smoke pipes and go to movies because irresistible
>> cause-and-effect forces of the cosmos force them to do it..."
>> "So what Phædrus was saying was that not just life, but everything, is an
>> ethical activity. It is nothing else. When inorganic patterns of reality
>> create life the Metaphysics of Quality postulates that they've done so
>> because it's 'better' and that this definition of 'betterness' - this
>> beginning response to Dynamic Quality - is an elementary unit of ethics upon
>> which all right and wrong can be based." (LILA, Chapter 12)
>> Now, it says as a subset of this that there, what we see because of these
>> different levels, that there is not just one moral system, there are many.
>> And these are named as a morality called the Laws of Nature by which
>> inorganic patterns triumph over chaos. There is a morality called the 'Law
>> of Jungle" …where biology triumphs over the inorganic patterns of starvation
>> and death. There is a morality called social patterns which are called 'The
>> Law', and which social patterns triumph over biology. And then there is the
>> final struggle, the final morality which is perhaps the most crucial one we
>> have today and that's the struggle… well, we have two of them actually: One,
>> there is the struggle between intellect and society, and this has been
>> coming to me very much in the last few months since LILA was written, how
>> profoundly deep this struggle is between popularity-dominated people and
>> truth-dominated people.
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