[Adrie] breathtaking to read in your last two postings,that you understood the Turner paper completely...
[Arlo] Well, maybe, I think I have some disagreement with Paul, or it maybe a wording issue. I'm trying to keep separate "what Paul said" (which is a third party move, and all I can do is offer quotes) and what I think of the "two contexts" argument. Mostly, I think I agree with Paul, but am rather saddened by how this paper has been used, either with Ian's statement that context two is "narrow SOM", or David's insistence that these contexts are "Dynamic/east" and "static/west" (although he retracted a bit on the DQ/SQ overlay, apart from 'priority'). I think the biggest source of my frustration is that Pirsig's ideas form a coherent whole, that these views, or voices, reflecting epistemological and ontological (which is Paul's distinction, and one I support) positions, and do not represent two 'separate but valid interpretations' of the MOQ, but that when they are "combined as phases" form a coherent whole that "enacts a major expansion and evolution of the modern Western mythos". [Adrie] However i have to agree,that there is no point in pedalling back to bo's crap,not even if advocated by Ian or Marsha. [Arlo] I agree, and I think Horse is being vigilant about this (as he should be). [Adrie] Thanks anyway for the conversation whan you talked about Sinnamahoning, i liked it so well that i did a virtual tour on google maps to visualise it a bit for myself, nice environment! [Arlo] The entire region north of State College (North-Central Pennsylvania) is mostly federal and state lands, so it is a beautiful, preserved and 'detoxing' place to visit. Since the state game commission has restored the Elk populations, you also occasionally encounter these magnificent animals (on a motorcycle, though, you hope its from a manageable distance!). North of Sinnemahoning is a place called Cherry Springs State Park, which is an open night-sky 'observatory'. On a clear night, its one of the few places left in the entire area where you can actually see the band of the Milky Way. Its a nice place to camp, and spend a night just staring at the night sky (just watch for coyotes that might try to steal your leftovers). Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
