Dera Marsha and others We shouldn't forget what the metaphysics of quality is about. Intellectual patterns can be beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCNwgzM2rQ Colors are between darkness and light. JanAnders > >>> [djh] >>> Furthermore it doesn't change the fact that Marsha can see the value of >>> Dynamic Quality but not static quality. >> >> [Marsha] >> It is because I have directly experienced the unpatterned, that I can >> appreciate the patterned, which includes Intellectual patterns. > > [djh] > I disagree. I think that appreciating the unpatterned does not automatically > mean that you appreciate the patterned. These are two totally *different* > types of quality. So no, I don't think you appreciate what static quality > is. Remember the conflict between the Brujo and the Priests which brought RMP > to this whole dichotomy to begin with? Just because the Priests could > appreciate static quality or the Brujo DQ does that mean they could > appreciate the other? > > Both different types of quality can be in *conflict* because they are > *different*.. > > > "Each culture has its own pattern of static good derived from fixed laws and > the traditions and values that underlie them. This pattern of static good is > the essential structure of the culture itself and defines it. In the static > sense the brujo was very clearly evil to oppose the appointed authorities of > his tribe. Suppose everyone did that? The whole Zuni culture, after thousands > of years of continuous survival, would collapse into chaos." > > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the source > of all things, completely simple and always new. It was the moral force that > had motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no pattern of fixed rewards and > punishments. Its only perceived good is freedom and its only perceived evil > is static quality itself - any pattern of one-sided fixed values that tries > to contain and kill the ongoing free force of life. > > Static quality, the moral force of the priests, emerges in the wake of > Dynamic Quality. It is old and complex. It always contains a component of > memory. Good is conformity to an established pattern of fixed values and > value objects. Justice and law are identical. Static morality is full of > heroes and villains, loves and hatreds, carrots and sticks. Its values don't > change by themselves. Unless they are altered by Dynamic Quality they say the > same thing year after year. Sometimes they say it more loudly, sometimes more > softly, but the message is always the same." > > > You only seem to appreciate the quality of Dynamic Quality and fail to see > the value of a static quality distinction or the assumption that things exist > before we experience them. These are different values Marsha and if you do > not value them then you do not value static quality. Apparently, according > to you, such things are only important 'scientifically'. > > "[djh] Can you ever see the value of thinking about static quality and making > the assumption that things exist before we think about them? > > [Marsha] There might be good reasons in science to pretend [make an > assumption]." > > I mean what about the whole point of a pattern which by its nature assumes > that something existed before something else in order to create a pattern? > Apparently the intellectual significance of this is lost on you. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
