[DM] Sure the SQ we identify is stable in the moment, but look more widely and you are bound to have a SQ and DQ mix
[Arlo] Sigh. David, who said otherwise? SQ is in constant response to DQ. You keep repeating things that really don't address what I've said, and act like its something I've overlooked. [DM] You can say we should make a clear SQ or DQ divide, but in a wider view any process is a mix of SQ and DQ but it is all quality as you say. [Arlo] That static quality responds to Dynamic Quality, that 'the train has a cutting edge', isn't an argument against understanding the MOQ's central distinction between 'static' and 'dynamic' Quality. If you can make that initial metaphysical distinction, the entire rest of Pirsig's metaphysics is rendered incoherent. It becomes a distinction without a difference. Why some people need to write a half-dozen incoherent paragraphs to say static quality is the "quality of order, [which] preserve[s] our world" and dynamic quality is the quality of "freedom, [which] creates this world" (LILA) is beyond me. Static quality 'preserves'. The evolution ['change'] they undergo emerges as they respond to Dynamic Quality. You (along with Marsha) continue to conflate this interaction/oscillation (whatever analogy you prefer) into just static quality. [DM] Does SQ respond to DQ or does it contain DQ that suddenly moves forward, hard to say... [Arlo] "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is not chaotic. It is value that cannot be contained by static patterns." (LILA) "The force of evolutionary creation [DQ] isn't contained by substance [sq]. Substance [sq] is just one kind of static pattern left behind by the creative force [DQ]." (LILA) "... there's a Dynamic good [DQ] that is outside of any culture, that cannot be contained by any system of precepts [sq]..." (LILA) You can make an argument for your own personal metaphysical theory, but I don't think you can make the argument that Pirsig's metaphysics says that 'sq contains DQ'. [DM] or does quality just oscillate between dq and sq? [Arlo] Again, I just don't understand this. Quality can't 'oscillate' between two things that ARE Quality. Both DQ and sq ARE Quality, they are value, but they are metaphysically distinct types of value. It is this distinction that the MOQ is founded upon. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
