[Arlo] You keep repeating things that really don't address what I've said, and act like its something I've overlooked.
DM: you're projecting, I simply make statements to check if you agree or disagree, and seek reasons for differences, I have genuine disinterested desire to seek what is right or works best, changing my mind is always a positive for me, if I am given good reasons I am very flexible, but as you agree, great, you never know until you spell it out clearly. [Arlo] That static quality responds to Dynamic Quality, that 'the train has a cutting edge', isn't an argument against understanding the MOQ's central distinction between 'static' and 'dynamic' Quality. DM: never said it was. Arlo:You (along with Marsha) continue to conflate this interaction/oscillation (whatever analogy you prefer) into just static quality. DM: so you say, I am questioning why this makes you so uncomfortable, I'd say sure make the distinction clear one moment, and then qualify it with transitional moments where the distinction collapses, where sq and dq appear together or morph from one into the other, complexity and shades rather than clear borders and border guard mentality. [Arlo] "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is not chaotic. It is value that cannot be contained by static patterns." (LILA) "The force of evolutionary creation [DQ] isn't contained by substance [sq]. Substance [sq] is just one kind of static pattern left behind by the creative force [DQ]." (LILA) "... there's a Dynamic good [DQ] that is outside of any culture, that cannot be contained by any system of precepts [sq]..." (LILA) You can make an argument for your own personal metaphysical theory, but I don't think you can make the argument that Pirsig's metaphysics says that 'sq contains DQ'. [DM] That's all interesting, but are there good reasons to think that this is right when we consider patterns and dq in our experience, do we not recognise that all patterns are open to change, that all patterns carry possibilities that we recognise and value, say we experience a lion pattern, do we not fear the possibility of its leaping at us and eating us? Has Pirsig said too little about how we experience the possibilities that are linked to any static situation? Worth thinking this through I am suggesting. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
