Hi All Andre: Agree. Marsha is NOT discussing Pirsig's MoQ. She is presenting her own interpretation based on her experience and 'empirical experience'
Eddo asks: Are the good guys, on this forum, only discussing pirsig's interpretation of moq? And does, any other person who is considering to discuss a more personal interpretation of moq, have no right of speach? So it's here only about Pirsig's interpretation, and someone ,now and than, call's or writes RMP to check the facts? Am i right? Kind regards Eddo 2013/9/21 Andre Broersen <[email protected]> > Marsha to dmb: > Try to present an actual argument and present actual evidence to support > your claim. Where are the actual quotes made by me that put me in the > category of a nihilistic relativism or a solipsistic subjectivism? > > Andre: > By your insistence that all is emptiness (a la Nagarjuna). You use this to > dismiss any attempt to correct your confused understanding of Pirsig's MoQ. > Secondly, you use your own experience to dismiss any attempt at correcting > your confused understanding of Pirsig's MoQ. You defended the 'patterns are > everchanging' in that it 'agrees with my experience and synthesizes well > with the MoQ, which is based on empirical experiences'. I'll correct this > statement by amending it to: 'agrees with my experience and synthesises > well with MY INTERPRETATION OF the MoQ, which is based on MY INTERPRETATION > of empirical experiences'. > > dmb said to Horse (who hopes Marsha will eventually learn): > > She simply refuses to discuss the MOQ itself. If it's not one excuse, it's > another. And it goes on like this day after day, month after month, year > after year. With a little trip through the archives and some cutting and > pasting, I could show you that this same pattern was occurring five years > ago. But please just take my word for it because that sounds really boring > for both of us. > > Andre: > Agree. Marsha is NOT discussing Pirsig's MoQ. She is presenting her own > interpretation based on her experience and 'empirical experience' > (difference??). The huge brick wall Marsha does not see from her own > perspective is that she is confusing her (vipassana) 'experience' > (purportedly bringing her in contact with DQ) with the INTERPRETATION of > that experience. And interpretations ARE sq. This may well point to her > confusion about the two. She sees them as the same as this may help her > perhaps as the only way out of her SOM/SOL intellect. As a way of moving > 'beyond' the MoQ (Marsha's confusion). > > Further, she uses Pirsig's quotes to not only back these claims up but > also the 'not this,not that' statement, among others. Problem is that this > statement, in the hands of Pirsig, makes perfect sense. However, in the > hands of Marsha this statement (as well as the Nagarjuna statement)is > lethal. It is confused, projecting,sarcastic,ironic, insulting, > misrepresentative and nihilates the MoQ (to use some of Marsha's own > jargon). > > Years and years and years have now gone by and Lucy sticks to her game. I, > me mine, I, me mine, I me mine. Pirsig's MoQ transcends the personal, ego > driven, self-centered interpretations. And if Marsha is only half-way > through her investigation of the MoQ and Buddhism (self-admittingly no > expert on either of them), coupled with her (incomplete) vipassana persuit > she should wait with the presentation of her findings until she has > completed her project. > It is unscientific to make grand statements about something based on > incomplete findings, when the results are not all in yet. Hence her own > rebuttals in defense, her Lucy tricks and, of course her feigned sincerity. > > She is simply NOT OPEN to learning from others. > > Sorry, but that's my take on this. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> > http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
