more clear, asking Horse, Am i right?
2013/9/22 Eddo Rats <[email protected]> > Hi All > > > Andre: > Agree. Marsha is NOT discussing Pirsig's MoQ. She is presenting her own > interpretation based on her experience and 'empirical experience' > > Eddo asks: > > Are the good guys, on this forum, only discussing pirsig's interpretation > of moq? And does, any other person who is considering to discuss a more > personal interpretation of moq, have no right of speach? > > So it's here only about Pirsig's interpretation, and someone ,now and > than, call's or writes RMP to check the facts? > > > Am i right? > > Kind regards > > Eddo > > > 2013/9/21 Andre Broersen <[email protected]> > >> Marsha to dmb: >> Try to present an actual argument and present actual evidence to support >> your claim. Where are the actual quotes made by me that put me in the >> category of a nihilistic relativism or a solipsistic subjectivism? >> >> Andre: >> By your insistence that all is emptiness (a la Nagarjuna). You use this >> to dismiss any attempt to correct your confused understanding of Pirsig's >> MoQ. >> Secondly, you use your own experience to dismiss any attempt at >> correcting your confused understanding of Pirsig's MoQ. You defended the >> 'patterns are everchanging' in that it 'agrees with my experience and >> synthesizes well with the MoQ, which is based on empirical experiences'. >> I'll correct this statement by amending it to: 'agrees with my experience >> and synthesises well with MY INTERPRETATION OF the MoQ, which is based on >> MY INTERPRETATION of empirical experiences'. >> >> dmb said to Horse (who hopes Marsha will eventually learn): >> >> She simply refuses to discuss the MOQ itself. If it's not one excuse, >> it's another. And it goes on like this day after day, month after month, >> year after year. With a little trip through the archives and some cutting >> and pasting, I could show you that this same pattern was occurring five >> years ago. But please just take my word for it because that sounds really >> boring for both of us. >> >> Andre: >> Agree. Marsha is NOT discussing Pirsig's MoQ. She is presenting her own >> interpretation based on her experience and 'empirical experience' >> (difference??). The huge brick wall Marsha does not see from her own >> perspective is that she is confusing her (vipassana) 'experience' >> (purportedly bringing her in contact with DQ) with the INTERPRETATION of >> that experience. And interpretations ARE sq. This may well point to her >> confusion about the two. She sees them as the same as this may help her >> perhaps as the only way out of her SOM/SOL intellect. As a way of moving >> 'beyond' the MoQ (Marsha's confusion). >> >> Further, she uses Pirsig's quotes to not only back these claims up but >> also the 'not this,not that' statement, among others. Problem is that this >> statement, in the hands of Pirsig, makes perfect sense. However, in the >> hands of Marsha this statement (as well as the Nagarjuna statement)is >> lethal. It is confused, projecting,sarcastic,ironic, insulting, >> misrepresentative and nihilates the MoQ (to use some of Marsha's own >> jargon). >> >> Years and years and years have now gone by and Lucy sticks to her game. >> I, me mine, I, me mine, I me mine. Pirsig's MoQ transcends the personal, >> ego driven, self-centered interpretations. And if Marsha is only half-way >> through her investigation of the MoQ and Buddhism (self-admittingly no >> expert on either of them), coupled with her (incomplete) vipassana persuit >> she should wait with the presentation of her findings until she has >> completed her project. >> It is unscientific to make grand statements about something based on >> incomplete findings, when the results are not all in yet. Hence her own >> rebuttals in defense, her Lucy tricks and, of course her feigned sincerity. >> >> She is simply NOT OPEN to learning from others. >> >> Sorry, but that's my take on this. >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-**moqtalk.org<http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org> >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/**pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.**org/<http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.**html <http://moq.org/md/archives.html> >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
