Andre,
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:34 AM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Marsha to dmb: > Let's see how RMP describes the MoQ's first and most important distinction: > In the Pirsig-McWatt Letters 1993-98 PDF, you will see that Pirsig suggests > (in a 1997 letter) that "patterned" and "unpatterned" were terms he could > have used instead of "static" and "Dynamic". > So, I have DQ as unpatterned: not divisible, not definable and not knowable; > undifferentiated - nondualistic, "not this, not that", "neti, neti" (the > Vedic terminology) > > Andre: > Footnote in Anthony's PhD: > 'It's worth noting that Pirsig (1997d) considers the terms 'patterned'and > 'unpatterned' as synonyms for 'static quality' and 'Dynamic Quality' though > the former terms are usually avoided due to a problem of ambiguity with > 'unpatterned'...' > > Did you get that Marsha?! The terms 'patterned' and 'unpatterned' are usually > AVOIDED due to a problem of ambiguity with 'unpatterned'. I thought I'd write > it out again in case you missed it. The full statement from the textbook: "It’s worth noting that Pirsig (1997d) also thinks the term ‘patterned’ would suffice as a synonym for ‘static quality’ and ‘unpatterned’ for Dynamic Quality. However, these terms weren’t used for the MOQ because there is a problem of ambiguity with ‘unpatterned’ that is similar to the one of ‘nothingness’: ‘“Unpatterned” might work as well except that “unpatterned” suggests that there is nothing there and all is quiet. There is nothing in the sense of no “thing”, that is, “no object”, and the Buddhists use nothingness in this way, but the term Dynamic is more in keeping within the quotation, “Within nothingness there is a great working”, from the Zen master, Kategiri Roshi.’" Marsha: Yes, I get that, and I am not using as "nothing there" or as "all is quiet"; I am using it as stated in the rest of the quote. As Ant suggested to David Morey (DQ/sq as WATER/ice - Apr 11, 2013) "it's sometimes helpful to replace the term "Dynamic Quality" with the the term "Unpatterned Quality"." Marsha > I suspect you insist on using these terms because of the posibility of > ambiguous interpretations so that you can pull your Lucy tricks again. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
