dmb,
On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:31 PM, david buchanan wrote:
> Marsha said to Andre:
> Yes, I get that, and I am not using [ unpatterned ] as "nothing there" or as
> "all is quiet"; I am using it as stated in the rest of the quote. As Ant
> suggested to David Morey (DQ/sq as WATER/ice - Apr 11, 2013) "it's sometimes
> helpful to replace the term "Dynamic Quality" with the the term "Unpatterned
> Quality".
>
>
>
> dmb says:
> Let us suppose that it's right to think of Dynamic and static as unpatterned
> and patterned or as water and ice. No problem. I might want to argue that
> static patterns aren't as rigid as the H2O analogy suggests, but at least
> it's consistent and it makes sense.
>
> Then ask yourself if it makes sense to describe the static, the patterned, or
> the ice as "ever-changing"? Doesn't make much more sense to do exactly the
> opposite and describe the dynamic, unpatterned water as "ever-changing"?
>
>
>
> Yes, obviously, because "constant change" is basically the definition of
> "dynamic". Thus, you are using the definition of "dynamic" in your definition
> of "static patterns". That is a problem. It is not consistent with Pirsig's
> terms or descriptions and it doesn't even make sense in terms of ordinary
> language. This is the confusion that needs to be addressed. The description
> of DQ and sq as unpatterned and patterned is fine so long as one understand
> its meaning but it's perfectly clear that this is the distinction you've so
> badly confused.
>
Perhaps you are too static, too dogmatic.
On Apr 29, 2013, at 3:20 PM, david buchanan claims:
"DQ, or reality itself is ever-changing. That's what "dynamic" means."
On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:31 PM, david buchanan wrote:
"... obviously, because "constant change" is basically the definition of
"dynamic"."
Yet, RMP states:
"Change is probably the first concept emerging from this Dynamic experience..."
(RMP, 'LILA's Child', Annotation 57)
Marsha:
But you are mistaken, change is a concept. Dynamic Quality is not knowable,
not definable, not divisible, not bounded, not patterned, not dualistic, "not
this, not that"; there is nothing to change.
Marsha
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