Jan Anders Huh? Obviously I know. Andre's question was about the first step, between 1 and 2
Ian On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Well Ian, Lila is an inquiry about morals. Please notice the last letter s. > That means that RMP was pointing at more than one moral level. > > So what are the moral like at level 1 and at level 2? > > Just curious but still serious > > Jan-Anders > >> 31 jan 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Ian Glendinning <[email protected]>: >> >> Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail ? >> >> Or (for dmb), can you tell the green slime from your feet of clay ? >> >> The distinction between levels 1 and 2 is "life" - not necessarily >> organic life, or DNA-based organic life, that just happens to be the >> most-obvious form in the circumstances of human history. Just life. >> >> Now, defining life .... replication is a key part of it, but if you're >> into splitting hairs you'll find everything comes in layers, including >> the layers .... >> >> Ian >> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 6:58 PM, david <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> dmb says: >>> As I understand it, the distinction between organic and inorganic is >>> something everyone already understands. It's not something Pirsig invented. >>> It's just the difference between Adam and the clay from which he was >>> formed. It's the difference between rocks and trees, between ants and suns. >>> I don't understand why anyone needs to ask such a question. >>> >>> >>>> Jan-Anders: >>>> >>>> By inspiration from Andre I'll suggest that we start a discussion about >>>> how to define the difference between level one, the inorganic and level >>>> two, the organic. I couldn't find any consistent thread in the Archives. >>>> >>>> Andre: >>>> 'Everything that has not been created by life (defined as DNA) is an >>>> inorganic value pattern'. Annot.42 >>>> >>>> Ipso facto an organic pattern is the 'presence of DNA in a >>>> self-perpetuating pattern'. Annot.23 >>>> >>>> The boundary between inorganic patterns and organic patterns is the virus >>>> 'because it is the simplest organism that contains DNA. I have read there >>>> is some dispute about the virus being living or dead, and I take this >>>> dispute as evidence that it is the boundary' Annotn. 48. >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
