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> On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > > John to All: > But I see my way clear now to a masterly thesis. I'ce got three paragraphs > already circled in Randy's book that I KNOW are MoQ orthodox, and while I > can't sell anyone on the idea that Royce co responds with Pirsig, (even tho > they never once corresponded at all) I'm thinking I bet I could interest the > Royceans in the same fact. So far I haven't been able to sell it, because > it's just my word for what the MoQ actually says. And even I admit I'm no > expert. > > Andre: > No expert on the MoQ John? Well, you've always maintained to understand it > well. So you want to keep on pushing Royce down the MoQ layers? > > May we all be reminded of John's letter to Horse more or less pleading to be > re-admitted to the MD: > > On September 16, 2013 John wrote: > Greetings MD Pirsigians, I've missed you all. The reasoning behind my > resignation from MD was valid, but has changed and I'd like a chance to > explain in detail, if you don't mind. The main reason at the time I left, was > escaping the conflict that came from my pushing of the Roycean idea of an > absolute. > > Andre: > Yes? > > John continues: > I really like Royce, and didn't want to lose him, so I clung to the idea that > the "Q" in "moQ" was a sign of absolutism. > > Andre: > Yes? And you found out that there are no absolutes in the MoQ > perspective...so NO to Royce. > > John continues: > I believe the MoQ orthodoxy is opposed to that idea, to such an extent that > it's too destructive to hammer away at an unsolvable problem. So it seemed > that resignation, was called for. > > Andre: > Right, so you resigned and were not dismissed by Horse or anyone else. It > seems you were also not invited to reappear by Horse or anyone else (see > below). Quite simply because your adherence to the Roycean idea of an > absolute is incompatible with Pirsig's MoQ...with the idea of Quality. > > John continues: > In that time, I've gotten more educated on the subject, and even attended a > conference just lately, in my home town, on Royce, where the president of the > Royce society made the argument that he found the idea of an absolute "block > universe" logically unsupportable and yet considers himself a Roycean. There > was sharp conflict, on this subject, but much applause too. I realized then > and there, the quality of the mistake I had made. And realized I'd been > wrong, and it was right that I was rebuked and criticized so harshly by > Andre, Adrie and DMB. > > Andre: > Nice to hear. > > John continues: > Some day I hope to rejoin a dialogue with you again, and ask to rejoin, [!!!] > but first there is a book I've been dying to read, that I hope will fill in > all the missing pieces, Sprigge's James and Bradley. i'm also greatly > enjoying the Varieties of Religious Experience and find it funny that I've > finally gotten to James .... through Royce! > > Andre: > So here you are again John, pushing Royce saying: 'But I don't see it as my > mission to persuade anybody over here, that I'm write - espectially dmb and > Andre. We've argued it out so much that sides are hardened beyond > rationality. There's no reason to go on and on about it.' > > So why go on and on about it John? Want to 'interest the Royceans' as you > suggest (despite the fact that you 'have not been able to sell it' [I wonder > why???]) above or you want to impress the MoQ adherents? YOU know where to go > John! > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > ____________________________________________________________ > Shocking Muscle Mass Gain > Shocking Muscle Trick That Body Builders Don't Want You Knowing! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/532a1f43ac42c1f424540mp03duc > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
