Dan,
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > Arlo, > > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:32 PM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR <[email protected]> > wrote: > > [Ron] > > I don't think "artist" is a very nice word. It implies some special > status that lets certain people be creative while the rest of us muddle > along. > > > > [Arlo] > > Agree. I think its better to use "artful" and append it to the activity > (artful painting, artful inquiry, artful woodworking, artful trombone > playing, etc.). Rather than "she's an artist", you could say "she paints > very artfully". And that guy over there, he artfully maintains his > motorcycle. > > Dan: > Actually, I think it was John who wrote that. John: Good to know SOMEbody is paying attention Dan. But when I think about it, Arlo actually has a job, so I cut him some slack for busy reading. > I took it as sort of > tongue in cheek in that Lu is an artist (and a very talented one at > that) but perhaps I am mistaken. > > Jc: I didn't think of it that way consciously at the time, Dan, but that doesn't mean you are mistaken. I write, Lu paints. Painting is seen by all, and understood in a flash, a moment, that goes by fast and is little cost to the viewer's time. We live in an image-oriented age for some good reasons of efficiency and expediency. But not everybody wants to take the time understand difficult concepts, and who can blame them, really? Dan: > I happen to be reading Henry Miller's Big Sur and the Oranges of > Hieronymus Bosch in which he writes extensively about artists of all > sorts... he claims even the community plumber is an artist. Reminds me > a lot of ZMM. > > Jc: I've never read Miller's Big Sur. In fact, it's been a long time since I've read him at all, but I have a strong connection to Kerouac's Big Sur and so I'd be interested to see what connections can be made. That's what reading does for me. It takes a bunch of concepts and connects them to others in novel ways that express something meaningful to me. An over-all narrative that is life and when your life-narrative, includes books, to me you are an interesting and valuable fellow but when your life-narrative is a series of shows - remembered images that the whole world saw, then you're not such an interesting and valued person in my mind. Dan: Anyway, I'm not sure why, but I am noticing people around me in my > daily life and how inclined (or disinclined) they are to artistry. It > isn't that they specialize in one particular area... she's a painter, > he's a woodworker, she sings, he dances) but rather that artful > attitude permeates their entire beings. > > I think I see it here too, in the high quality (or low quality) of the > posts. > > Just an observation... > > Dan > -- Well observed Dan. But I don't think any individual posts are good or bad, it's the context in the dialogue, that you find rhetorical art. Even the classic poetry we memorize in school, were dialogic points to someone in the author's mind. or put more simply, in this art, it takes two to tango. oh-lay, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
