Well, it looks like we're in for an intellectual treat tonight, ladies and gentlemen, as I notice John Carl has imparted his wisdom in at least four posts today. I wonder what words below need to be kept for posterity from one of our great intellects of our time. Let's go and take a look:
---------------------------------------- John "Einstein" Carl said to Ron Kulp, May 16th 2014: Ron, On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Ron Kulp <[email protected]> wrote: > I have noticed also that often the > Most artistically driven people are > Often self absorbed. They are absent > Parents or spouse placing that drive > Before the ones they love. I have a few very talented friends who have > given up this aspect in pursuit of their > Craft. > Jc: There is an inner idea... Ant comments: An "inner idea"? That's an interesting... idea, John. Anyway, I was wondering, what is the difference between an inner idea and an external idea? JC (aka "Jesus Christ of the world's intellectual elite" continues): ...that wants to be expressed... Ant comments: So an idea can want something too. News on me John but thanks for me enlightening me there.. so, can only "inner ideas" want things or do "external ideas" (especially being external!) want things to? Also, being "external" do they have more independence than inner ideas? A genius must have at least one good idea so you must know all about them. Jc: ...and it's stronger in some than others... Ant comments: OK, I can see where you're coming from a little now, John. So do ideas head to their local gym every evening and have a work out? Or is this only open to external ideas because, of course, being external they are the only ideas who have independence (from a mind let's say) so "inner ideas" not being able to work out as a gym tend to be weaker than external ones? Jc: ...and in a few, it is a powerful force for change. Ant comments: So, am I right to presume your talking about external ideas here as they can work out more than inner ideas? Jc: But sometimes it's just a selfish ego, striving for mere social recognition in a lazy lifestyle. Ant comments: Of course, being the modest genius you are, this last sentence would never apply to yourself? JC: Who can tell the difference? Not art critics! That's for sure. But not me either, so who am I to criticize. Ant comments: Oh dear, with you being a genius, I had great hopes that you could explain to me how we could distinguish these things and now you're telling me that though you've brought this idea of "an inner idea" and this idea of "the social recognition strived for by a selfish ego" you are now saying you haven't got a f**king clue how to distinguish between the two. How disappointing. The saddest news I've heard this year. I did think at first that possibly Pirsig's MOQ with its social patterns and intellectual patterns could have assisted here but I note you have carefully avoided. But you have obviously heard on the grapevine (maybe from the spirit of Marvin Gaye?) that Pirsig was a mental case and consequently have carefully avoided talking about his ideas on this forum. What a wise man you are. Ron earlier: > I have tried to view parenting and marriage as an art and I think having > practiced eastern martial arts influenced that point if view. Jc: Lol. Yeah, every once in a while there's nothing like a karate chop upside the head, to help kids learn how to behave. Ant comments: You know, in my own modest observation of human behaviour on this planet over the last few decades, I have realised that a good "karate chop upside the head" can also help adults learn to behave as well. Not that I can think of anyone on this forum Who needs a good slap. Certainly don't worry about me being engaged in such behaviour though John; at only three foot four, I'm a only little schizophrenic. Jc: I took San Soo Kung Fu, for a couple of years... Ant comments: God knows why such a nice sociable guy such as yourself thought it necessary to take up a martial art. Anyway, they say the universe is essentially full of mystery, don't they? Jc: ...but it didn't influence my child rearing that much beyond taking a full horse stance when giving piggy-back rides. Ant comments: Well, I've heard of these sad guys who like their ponies a little too much even for the average swinger. But pigs too!!! F**king hell, I'm nearly impressed. You are certainly a cutting edge fellow! Jc: My biggest influence was my younger self... Ant comments: Well, who else could a genius rely on? Well, it couldn't be someone else as they'd no doubt have a weaker intellect than a genius such as your good self. Good for you John. Jc: All the stuff I'd thought I'd do different, when I was a dad, I remembered when I got old, and I listened to. I was lucky, I had a pretty good dad. Emotionally distant, like all dads were, back then. But he spoke truth to me, when we talked. He was pretty much an Indian dad, raised by an indian dad himself. These patterns pass on. Dr McWatt comments: If only that was always the case... even makes me feel a little sad for John. Ant --------CUT------- Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
