Hi Dan,...all. I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas yesterday,and i have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if you like. It is too early for me to formulate a solid judgement about the book,but the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality. The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig in further. The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else.
But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded history;..... wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers of tomorrow. As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land' or translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces. The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he died. There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the discussing of Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a good booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of that. Adrie 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > Hi Adrie, > > I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in > the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the > purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life. > There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be > exceptionally intelligent to discover it. > > Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns > constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For > example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor. > But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her, > frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl > who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married > and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling > in them the same shallow thinking. > > Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of > a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee > doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than > those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a > culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on > to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class > kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity. > > I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud > Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me. > > Thank you, > > Dan > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi , Dan,all.. > > > > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no > decent > > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb > and > > willing to be at the summit in the same framing. > > I like the word 'framing'. > > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job or > in > > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so > determinant > > for our existence..., > > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the > Wife'. > > Distances.Oceans . > > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments > other > > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , now > that > > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never > > absent. > > > > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities > > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the the frame to do so. > > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up > > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow up > > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified example to > > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up rodents,youtube is > > full of it....... > > > > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing you > > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on > > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic stroke's on > > your keyboard > > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed. > > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the > events > > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless. > > > > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in the > > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord. > > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and thumbs > > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying. > > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i will > > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to > > Bodrum. > > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to read. > > > > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway. > > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian. > > > > Adrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > > > >> Andrew, all, > >> > >> If money were no object, what would you do? > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do? > >> > > >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely connect > >> with and venture into that quality connection. > >> > > >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi? That’s quality if I ever saw > >> it. It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over the > last > >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression > >> across the world. > >> > > >> > We need more of that. It could be anything, sushi, soccer, singing, > >> strawberry jam. The paradox of our time is that we have so many ways to > >> express our quality and so little quality to express. > >> > > >> > That needs to change. > >> > > >> > From: Dan Glover > >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality > >> > > >> > Hi Adrie, > >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie! > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's > nest in > >> >> the > >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people loose > this > >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,... > >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for > >> them,and > >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to > >> >> emerge?......, > >> >> > >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to stop > >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, as if > >> >> everything is anew every day. > >> >> > >> >> Adrie > >> > >> > >> http://www.danglover.com > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >> Archives: > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > parser > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > -- > http://www.danglover.com > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- parser Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
