Hi Adrie, On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> wrote: > Bi Dan, > I have WiFi in the hotel here in Bodrum,and additionally to iT, i have > acces to a little library here,,so i can read your mail and Study the book > at the same time from the pool here!...Nice ,looking at the Knights > Hostpittaler castle over the bay and the yachties boats between the hotel > and me i''m Reading 'Inferno' by Dan Brown,and Cloud Atlas, to compare Some > issue's:this you Can find and acces on the web' Inferno, prb as a pdf for > students!. Please read of you Can the chapterand chapters along chapt > 84'concerning the citerns in the Hagia Sophia!. THere are Some historical > and geographical component i would-be like to discussie with you. Yeah, > Mulish i,m aware of iT today, the latest biography is not translated in > English.But the good News is,you do not have to read iT, only the first two > sentences and the last are important for us and i Can translate. > 'This desk is my country,iT is my island,the only country i Can call > myself a nationalist for,andtheonly country i,M willing to die for, > Writing About huis desk. Pls forgive me thetypo,s the machine is fast > switching to Turkish from Dutch, and doubting between Flamish and English > spellingcheck from this location.I'm not drunk.,.! ADrie > > Op zaterdag 2 september 2017 heeft Dan Glover <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> het volgende > geschreven: > >> Hi Adrie, >> >> I found the stories of Cloud Atlas to be interlocking in nature. In >> fact it was quite a joy for me to discover old characters from some of >> his other novels inhabiting the book. And I shouldn't be too quick to >> dismiss the fifth story. The novel would not work if not for that. >> >> I searched for the work of Harry Mulish but apparently the book you >> mention hasn't been translated into English as of yet. >> >> Thanks, Adrie! >> >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi Dan,...all. >> > >> > I took a sneak peak diagonal reading preview on Cloud Atlas >> yesterday,and i >> > have to agree with you that we will have much to discuss about it , if >> you >> > like. >> > It is too early for me to formulate a solid judgement about the book,but >> > the bulk of what i read so far is of very high literary quality. >> > The letters from Zedelgem instances are absolute top level, and very >> > complex in their carefully constructed build-up.I have my doubts on the >> > sixth story as i did not found its concluding meanig yet,but i will dig >> in >> > further. >> > The fifth story is a non-event.Counting sheeps.Nothing else. >> > >> > But the 'Zedelghem 'entity, as for locality,caracters and embedded >> > history;..... >> > wow! Stuff to study for quite some time.Learnig grounds for the writers >> of >> > tomorrow. >> > >> > As i was thinking about your questions about purpose and goal, a book on >> > the shelf here is a biography about Harry Mulish named 'Zijn Eigen Land' >> or >> > translated, 'His Own Country' I have no knowledge of a translated form in >> > English, but it will probably exist as Mulish is one of the greatest >> > ,nearly everything he wrote was translated or is in the proces. >> > The book is a chronicle of his notes that he left in his office when he >> > died. >> > >> > There are several things in it that i like to offer along with the >> > discussing of >> > Cloud Atlas.btw Andrew, the phrase "Is this guy fired yet" would be a >> good >> > booktitle.Or a chapter.If i'm back from Turkey we will have a rewind of >> > that. >> > >> > >> > Adrie >> > >> > >> > >> > 2017-08-29 8:21 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> Hi Adrie, >> >> >> >> I don't think avoidance comes into play so far as purpose except in >> >> the contrary. What I mean is that when money and work become the >> >> purpose we are avoiding what is true and real and meaningful in life. >> >> There is nothing fanciful about purpose nor does a person have to be >> >> exceptionally intelligent to discover it. >> >> >> >> Yes. Framing. But isn't framing more a matter of cultural patterns >> >> constraining our lives into what others believe is important? For >> >> example, perhaps a girl comes of age dreaming of becoming an actor. >> >> But because her family sees that choice as fanciful they steer her, >> >> frame her, into becoming a good girl who does as others want. A girl >> >> who doesn't follow her heart. She spends her life unhappily married >> >> and when her children are born she repeats the process by instilling >> >> in them the same shallow thinking. >> >> >> >> Most would agree how a student doing exceptional work is deserving of >> >> a better grade than those doing less. In the same fashion, an employee >> >> doing exceptional work would be seen as deserving better pay than >> >> those doing less. In this fashion, people are indoctrinated into a >> >> culture of earning. Those who for perhaps reasons of their own go on >> >> to fail at the game are denounced as losers, those back of the class >> >> kids for who Robert Pirsig felt such affinity. >> >> >> >> I am sorry to hear of your health issues, Adrie. And I hope Cloud >> >> Atlas provides you with as much enjoyment as it did me. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Adrie Kintziger <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi , Dan,all.. >> >> > >> >> > Money and work are mountains we all have to climb, there would be no >> >> decent >> >> > or valid point to make, when at the same time trying to avoid to climb >> >> and >> >> > willing to be at the summit in the same framing. >> >> > I like the word 'framing'. >> >> > It is never only the money or the work that is framing us in the job >> or >> >> in >> >> > our lives,the frame contains lots of components that are even so >> >> determinant >> >> > for our existence..., >> >> > Social patterns.Geografical patterns.Political patterns.'Mother the >> >> Wife'. >> >> > Distances.Oceans . >> >> > I need no fantasy or bright brain to know that i'll have commitments >> >> other >> >> > than work and money related.It makes a very big difference for me , >> now >> >> that >> >> > i'm retired.The frame itself becomes lesser important.But it is never >> >> > absent. >> >> > >> >> > Reviewing what you and Wes wrote, i can say that some possibilities >> >> > are very easyly overlooked.It comes along with the the frame to do >> so. >> >> > The mechanisms are repeated. If one American buys tannerite to blow up >> >> > some rodents ,other fellow Americans will follow his example and blow >> up >> >> > some pigeons with tannerite.But of course this is a simplified >> example to >> >> > point to something.Do not buy tannerite.Do not blow up >> rodents,youtube is >> >> > full of it....... >> >> > >> >> > There are ways to step out of the frame that is yours and is framing >> you >> >> > where you are,without the need to leave it.Start writing. Keep on >> >> > writing,and start travelling the world around with some magic >> stroke's on >> >> > your keyboard >> >> > It does not have to be non-fiction.Fiction is allowed. >> >> > Allocate your soul at the helm of your computer and write about the >> >> events >> >> > you see,the toughts you have,...........The list is endless. >> >> > >> >> > Sorry for this short reading and write back to you Dan, but i was in >> the >> >> > Hospital this week for epidural injections in my neck and spinal cord. >> >> > Had to take it real easy.Still a very numb feeling in my arms and >> thumbs >> >> > and shoulders.Very numb and very annoying. >> >> > The Cloud Atlas book arrived today.I can start reading it, maybe i >> will >> >> > take it with me to Turkey next week,i have a 10 day's holliday.I go to >> >> > Bodrum. >> >> > Look around in Erdoganistan...(pun), That will give me some time to >> read. >> >> > >> >> > Welcome Andrew and Wes, btw.Feel free to interact anyway. >> >> > And no, English is not my language.I'm a Belgian. >> >> > >> >> > Adrie >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2017-08-25 6:08 GMT+02:00 Dan Glover <[email protected]>: >> >> > >> >> >> Andrew, all, >> >> >> >> >> >> If money were no object, what would you do? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Andrew Chu <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Maybe one way to spread quality is to imbue it in what we do? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Spend our precious hours finding those things that we uniquely >> connect >> >> >> with and venture into that quality connection. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Has anyone watched Jiro Dreams of Sushi? That’s quality if I ever >> saw >> >> >> it. It’s as if a low thunderous roar of quality was building over >> the >> >> last >> >> >> 70 years of his life and once it crested it left a lasting impression >> >> >> across the world. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > We need more of that. It could be anything, sushi, soccer, >> singing, >> >> >> strawberry jam. The paradox of our time is that we have so many >> ways to >> >> >> express our quality and so little quality to express. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That needs to change. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > From: Dan Glover >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:19 PM >> >> >> > To: [email protected] >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [MD] The need for quality >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Hi Adrie, >> >> >> > Yes, new every day. I like that. Thanks, Adrie! >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 3:18 AM, Adrie Kintziger < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Can we still be surprised and feel awe when we discover a bird's >> >> nest in >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> shrubs or a frog in the polder?,we should be!,....many people >> loose >> >> this >> >> >> >> ability early in life.We can ask ourselves,... >> >> >> >> Did the emotional/intellectual adaptive filter close too early for >> >> >> them,and >> >> >> >> did the pattern dissolve itself to give way for other patterns to >> >> >> >> emerge?......, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sometimes a bit strange that i will take a philosopher stance to >> stop >> >> >> >> thinking about these things, and go back to expiriencing again, >> as if >> >> >> >> everything is anew every day. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adrie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.danglover.com >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> >> Archives: >> >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > parser >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> > Archives: >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.danglover.com >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > parser >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> > Archives: >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > > -- > parser > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html
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